twoclones
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If one is not actively, on sight, breaking the law then they must be considered to be and treated as innocent citizens. At least in the United States.
Cuffed and Caged for Open Carry
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If one is not actively, on sight, breaking the law then they must be considered to be and treated as innocent citizens. At least in the United States.
I personally feel uncomfortable when I see non LEO's open carrying. I wouldnt feel comfortable with guys walking down the street with Samurai swords either. Even if they are wonderful people, that weapon gives whoever is in control of it the power to kill me without my being able to avoid it. Even if everyone who carries is a wonderful American citizen I also question their ability to maintain control the weapon if a BG walks up behind them and makes a grab for it / hits them in the back of the head.
Mind you, that doesnt mean I would feel more comfortable with people concealed carrying.
I'm not against carrying. But I would like to think (though I know its not true) that everyone who carries is fully aware of the power over life and death that, not they have but the weapon has. I like to think that people who open carry are fully able to defend against a sneak attack and maintain their weapon but that is certainly not the case... even with LEOs thats certainly not the case.
The perspective I offer is one of a person who is very seperate from the world of gun ownership. When a soccer mom at the grocery store sees a gun on "some guy's" side, it is not comforting. It may be one to you, but it certainly is not to many. That discomfort coems from knowing them knowing that that gun has the power to kill and is being worn by someone not in a uniform that symbolizes the acceptance of that responsibility. Knowing this, IMO, is part of the responsibility of legal carrying and its something that CCW licensed individuals should give A LOT of thought, especially for the decision they open carry.
I know this isnt the popular opinion here but I do support the right to carry and I hope this perhaps gives some of us a bit of perspective as to what the non-gun supporting population thinks about open and concealed carry.
Mind you, that doesnt mean I would feel more comfortable with people concealed carrying.
I'm not against carrying. But I would like to think (though I know its not true) that everyone who carries is fully aware of the power over life and death that, not they have but the weapon has. I like to think that people who open carry are fully able to defend against a sneak attack and maintain their weapon but that is certainly not the case... even with LEOs thats certainly not the case.
The perspective I offer is one of a person who is very seperate from the world of gun ownership. When a soccer mom at the grocery store sees a gun on "some guy's" side, it is not comforting. It may be one to you, but it certainly is not to many. That discomfort coems from knowing them knowing that that gun has the power to kill and is being worn by someone not in a uniform that symbolizes the acceptance of that responsibility. Knowing this, IMO, is part of the responsibility of legal carrying and its something that CCW licensed individuals should give A LOT of thought, especially for the decision they open carry.
I know this isnt the popular opinion here but I do support the right to carry and I hope this perhaps gives some of us a bit of perspective as to what the non-gun supporting population thinks about open and concealed carry.
DHJenkins
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I'm gonna take THR and bow out...
desert gator
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I cant believe how much negativity there is towards law enforcement here. Anyone who wants to bash on a cop go out and do a perfect days work as one, its not easy. There are thousands of laws, many of which you do not get exposed to very often so you cant be a total expert on them.
I imagine also that the 911 call was not high, im at chipoltes and there is a man who is open carrying a holstered gun. It was probably more like a man at chipoltes and there is a man with a gun. You have to remember about 98% of americans dont know that open carry is legal in many states. So if you dont want to risk this happening than dont open carry. Its allot easier to conceal than educate and convince a huge portion of the population to accept open carry.
If I where a cop and was responding to a man with a gun I would probably start out pretty aggressive also. I know nothing about this man or his intentions, and I know that in less than 1 second this man has the potential to kill me, and well I dont want to die today.
On the other hand the cop is in some serious need of a refreshers course, because knowing the open carry law of his state should not be something he did not know. Usually it only takes about ten seconds to determine if someone is a threat, so take his gun while you talk to him yes, hand cuff him no.
I imagine also that the 911 call was not high, im at chipoltes and there is a man who is open carrying a holstered gun. It was probably more like a man at chipoltes and there is a man with a gun. You have to remember about 98% of americans dont know that open carry is legal in many states. So if you dont want to risk this happening than dont open carry. Its allot easier to conceal than educate and convince a huge portion of the population to accept open carry.
If I where a cop and was responding to a man with a gun I would probably start out pretty aggressive also. I know nothing about this man or his intentions, and I know that in less than 1 second this man has the potential to kill me, and well I dont want to die today.
On the other hand the cop is in some serious need of a refreshers course, because knowing the open carry law of his state should not be something he did not know. Usually it only takes about ten seconds to determine if someone is a threat, so take his gun while you talk to him yes, hand cuff him no.
"Open carry"--to carry or not to csrry?
Here in Kentucky we actually have what I believe are probably two separate laws. For years it has been legal to carry a loaded gun in the "factory installed" glovebox of your car, if you are a Kentucky resident, no license required. You can also "open carry." We now have a CCDW law to cover any deadly weapon concealed---it's not a "gun" license. There is still, I believe, an "open carry" group in Louisville, Ky, who treat July 4 as "open carry day" and they run around with their guns out in the open. I've been told they are hoping to get arrested, but it hasn't happened yet. I haven't been to Louisville on July 4 to investigate this but some guys who live there say it's true.
Here in Kentucky we actually have what I believe are probably two separate laws. For years it has been legal to carry a loaded gun in the "factory installed" glovebox of your car, if you are a Kentucky resident, no license required. You can also "open carry." We now have a CCDW law to cover any deadly weapon concealed---it's not a "gun" license. There is still, I believe, an "open carry" group in Louisville, Ky, who treat July 4 as "open carry day" and they run around with their guns out in the open. I've been told they are hoping to get arrested, but it hasn't happened yet. I haven't been to Louisville on July 4 to investigate this but some guys who live there say it's true.
twoclones
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Ridiculous! Objects do not have power over anything or anyone.
I'd file a formal complaint, so that the documentation supports the next guy. I'd sue, to shore up the slippery slope. If the OP had resisted, he'd be dead or hurt & in jail.
Somebody draws a loaded gun with 1 in the chamber, takes the safety off, and points it at my center of mass, that person is threatening to execute me. Cop, BG, doesn't matter who he is. As a corollary, somebody giving orders with confidence born from being armed and having an armed partner, that person is implictly threatening me with force. I may not comply because you're an officer, but I'd darn well better comply because of the gun, nightstick, taser, and boot.
Where there is a legal requirement to obey the orders of a police officer, the police officers must be held to a strict standard regarding the orders they give. Where police officers are allowed to use threat of deadily force to ensure compliance, they must be held to a strict standard regarding the use and threat of deadily force.
Somebody draws a loaded gun with 1 in the chamber, takes the safety off, and points it at my center of mass, that person is threatening to execute me. Cop, BG, doesn't matter who he is. As a corollary, somebody giving orders with confidence born from being armed and having an armed partner, that person is implictly threatening me with force. I may not comply because you're an officer, but I'd darn well better comply because of the gun, nightstick, taser, and boot.
Where there is a legal requirement to obey the orders of a police officer, the police officers must be held to a strict standard regarding the orders they give. Where police officers are allowed to use threat of deadily force to ensure compliance, they must be held to a strict standard regarding the use and threat of deadily force.
Deanimator
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It can get very expensive for the harasser. But if somebody wants to buy me a watercooled .50 and all of the accessories, I say go for it.
Justin
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This one's pretty much devolved into a cops vs. citizens bash fest.
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