CCH At A License Check

[9MMare]

A license is permission to use THEIR roadways whilst driving YOUR car. Verification of safe handling is just extra, and often ineffective verification if you ask me.



Sorry, you are incorrect. Driving on public roadways is not a right. They can revoke your permission to drive on their roadways at will according to the govt's procedure of whose jurisdiction you reside within. If you don't believe me go ask a highway patrol officer, lawyer or judge.

CC ought to be a right, but at the moment it is not considered such, it is a privilege similar to using public roadways to drive your vehicle.

Everything you wrote 100% ignored the statements....as written out for you....about how anyone can use the roads without a drivers license. edit: Not only that, you can have a drivers license and drive ANYONE's car, doesnt have to be your own.

No one said that using the roads is a 'right' or even a privilege. You can be restricted from using them anytime you break the laws for using them. Just like with any other laws pertaining to public property/domain. However, drivers licenses ONLY pertain to *driving* a vehicle on those roads...and you have to obey the relevant laws, just like anything else.

But **you do not need anything** to use public roads (except some change for toll roads I guess). Passenger, bus, limo, taxi, horse, walking, goods and services.....NO drivers license required.

But....carry on.

 

[Davek1977]

I don't do anything wrong so i have nothing to fear.

I'm frankly disgusted by this line of thinking. You may not want, need, or appreciate privacy, but some of us do,and wanting our privacy respected doesn't mean we are criminal or have something to hide. it means we like to exercise our rights, and use the protections afforded to us under the law. Just because you may not be a private individual doesn't mean everyone's lives should be an open book for law enforcement...or anyone else...to page through at their leisure. Not wanting to advertise your affairs to the world...or the local police department...doesn't make on a criminal. It might make you feel morally superior in some strange way to cooperate with authority at the price of basic liberty, but I find that our constitutional protections were outlined as such because they were important to respect and follow, and as such, I'll use whatever protections afforded to me rather than simply give up my rights because I feel as though i have nothing to hide. Just because I'm not guilty of something doesn't mean i should be subjected to tests to check to the contrary. As a law-abiding person, i should be treated as such, not treated as a criminal until an officer's hunch is proven incorrect.

 

[9MMare]

I agree with you Dave.

And just because someone isnt breaking the law doesnt mean that their lives should be open books. While I'm not supporting unethical or immoral behavior, an example is phone tapping by the govt:

They might not hear that you are breaking a law, but if they hear you badmouthing your boss or cheating on your wife/husband (or even thinking of it), or if you had an abortion or speaking out in anger against a friend, etc etc etc...they can use that information against you to ruin your private or professional life.

 

[Ben86]

Everything you wrote 100% ignored the statements....as written out for you....about how anyone can use the roads without a drivers license.

A license is permission to use THEIR roadways whilst driving YOUR car.

It seems we disagree again. I'm not saying they can ban you from using their roadways all together. They do have the right to take away your privilege of driving a automobile on them.

 

[MikeNice]

I had to go down and fill out some papers after work this morning. I was told the "official" process would start. That just means that somebody will look at the complaint and see if it justifies investigating.

It seems that, unless he broke a law, they will just place an "abrieviated" version of the complaint in his file. If he violated any of the department's policies his supervising officer will have a "coaching session" with him. A report of that session will be placed in his file.

I told the person that I didn't think he broke a law. I just wanted to file a complaint so that a history of harrasment and poor public interactions can be established. They said a full investigation must be under taken. (edit to clarify: they either do a full investigation or deem the complaint baseless. So, they must make a ful investigation if a complaint has merit.)

So, I may be called in to make a statement with an investigator.

We talked or about fifteen minutes. It pretty much came out that the guy is probably going to end up with a "coaching session" and loss of overtime priviliges for a few weeks.

It isn't a big victory, but maybe it will make him treat CCH holders a little better.

I did ask if he might have to take a course on gun safety. The administrator I was talking to said, "unfortunately that part doesn't suprise me." His sentiments were, you should be happy you don't have range time with these guys.

 

[9MMare]

It seems we disagree again. I'm not saying they can ban you from using their roadways all together. They do have the right to take away your privilege of driving a automobile on them.

Closer.

They can take away your privilege of driving an automobile PERIOD.

And having a drivers license has nothing to do with use of state/county/federal roads (which is what the discussion is based on)...only 'driving a vehicle' on them. Thus drivers licenses are not meant to be restrictors of free travel on public roads.

 

[MikeNice]

Finally got some resolution on this matter today. I got a letter saying that the complaint was reviewed.

"Some disciplinary action may be waranted. Exactly what form that action may take has not been determined. The final determinations of the disciplinary board will be made available to the public through the minutes of a future meeting." That was the response I recieved via mail on Monday.

So after a month they basically said he may have done something wrong and they may do something about it.

 

[Hammerogod]

I live in New Mexico where your Vehicle is considered to be your Private Property in the same sense that your House is.
I can have my handgun, or any gun, in my car (loaded) without ever having to tell anyone.
I could easily get a Concealed Carry License/Permit since I am a life-long non-offender but I see no real reason to do so.
I can reach the gun if I am in my car (Pickup actually) because it is in the center console in a chamois pouch.
I have been stopped 100's of times due to the fact that I often travel between areas that have Homeland Security checkpoints.
Nobody had ever asked my about the Gun(s) or my possession of them.
If I got out of the vehicle at a checkpoint or routine (?) stop (?), for any reason, the gun(s) would NOT get out with me.
I also make it a practice never to step out of my vehicle with the gun(s) on my person unless I am on my own property.

I have no valid reason to go to any of the states that have insane gun laws so I can't speak to the issues that would arise if I operated the same way in Calif or NY.

 

[ForumSurfer]

Finally got some resolution on this matter today. I got a letter saying that the complaint was reviewed.

"Some disciplinary action may be waranted. Exactly what form that action may take has not been determined. The final determinations of the disciplinary board will be made available to the public through the minutes of a future meeting." That was the response I recieved via mail on Monday.

So after a month they basically said he may have done something wrong and they may do something about it.

You still have an opportunity. At the very least, these minutes are public record and most counties have them available to be downloaded on their websites. I'd respond again and ask them which date they have the disciplinary hearing scheduled to appear in front of the board so you can keep a close eye on it. As the person filing the complaint, you have a right to follow the progress of it.

Of course, I also know how frustrating it is when dealing with local government at times, so I wouldn't blame you if you just forgot about and moved on, either. Good luck either way!

 

[MikeNice]

I'm going to stay out of it at this point. I work for a police department in a neighboring county. I deal with a lot of the officer's from the jurisdiction where this happened. Too much pressure might lead to some issues with cooperation and such.

The complaint will be in his file and that will be enough to hinder any promotions and advancement for a while. I don't want to push too hard and cause a problem for people outside of the situation.

 

[knotquiteawake]

Think what you will of those license checkpoints but I would love it if they attempted to do one in Southern California... I got rear ended by an unlicensed, uninsured, illegal immigrant hispanic cafeteria worker. That was a great day for sure. The Sheriff deputy that showed up to take the report was hispanic as well and was chatting it up in spanish with the lady. He let her drive off without a license or insurance. Thanks LA Country Sheriff's Department, you're awesome!
This one of the reasons I left California.

I attempted to file a complaint, spoke to the guy's LT about it but it sounded like they really didn't care and it probably never even got back to the guy that somebody complained.