CZ-75 Questions

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OK, multiple questions that I couldn't answer with a search function.

Who's got a range report for the Tactical pistols that J&G and Dealer's Warehouse are advertising? Is $369 about the price they're going for?

Second, I've found a local dealer who has a few NIB CZ pistols, but he's had them for several years. I seem to remember reading about the military models that were imported early in the 1990s, is there anything in particular to look for? These don't have the same import markings that I've seen on the newer pistols. The sticker price is $399, but I think I can at least make it an out-the-door price, if I can't talk him down a bit.

What kind of bullet weights do these pistols tend to prefer?

Since this might end up as a carry pistol, I'd be using it in steel target matches, IDPA, etc. to practice. I've wanted one for a long time since they fit in my hand so well, the other option being a P7M8. The reason I'm thinking seriously of the CZ is price and availability.
 
Well, my buddy BamBam-31 got a Tactical about a month ago and it's basically just a CZ75B in green (and comes with a free knife). I only shot it a little bit but it was a pretty comfortable pistol and other than being a bit larger, it's just like my CZ75 Compact. The triggers are notorious for starting out a bit rough and cleaning up quite a bit after about 500 trigger pulls but BamBam-31 didn't want to wait or mess up his technique with a gritty trigger so he sent it off to the local gunsmith for a triggerjob. These gunsmiths have a good reputation so they are always busy and he hasn't seen the gun since :( .

As far as price, IINM J&G had them on sale a few months ago for $350 and the regular price was $400 so I suppose $369 is about right. IINM BamBam-31's price was $400 so in California that means just under $500 OTD :rolleyes: . HTH.
 
CZs are some of my favorite guns.
Beetle is right the triggers start out rough and get much better. The tactical is just the 75 with a green finish (why this is more 'tactical than black I don't know) and is the same as the military you have heard about. The military often has different grips and the machining is a bit rougher, but it is the same gun.
$400 is a good, but not great price, and the CZ is well worth it. With a good holster and belt it would make a good, if somewhat heavy, carry gun.
I tend to shoot lighter bullets, but I haven't had any problems with heavier 147 gr either.
Some early models (the CZ 75 no 'B') also have different grips and often have a spur hammer as opposed to the ring hammer on newer models. They also lack the firing pin stop (which some people like some don't)
Most CZs are very accurate and are perfect for IDPA where they may compete in either ESP or SSP divisions. They also make a good IPSC production gun.
 
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Like the guys said, the Tactical is just a regular 75b painted green. I got it cuz it looks different from all my other black pistols, and cuz it came with a free cool knife.

The trigger that came on it was horrible. Heavy, creepy, gritty, you name it. I got used to it after a while, and then it started to shoot fairly accurately. When I shot my other pistols w/ better triggers, however, my groups went all to heck. So off to the smith the CZ went for a much needed trigger job.

I've shot 115 gr. Fiocchi, 124 gr. AE, and 147 gr. match Rem out of mine. It didn't seem to like the 147 gr. much, but both the Fiocchi and AE grouped well enough.

Personally, the CZ's are steals for the price. Even if you can't talk the guy down, $400 is money well spent on these pistols. In the long run, the $30 price difference will be negligible. .
 
1. The CZ75B Tactical, like was stated earlier, is just a 75B in green. Everything else is the same. If you buy one, Tactical or otherwise, put about 1000 rounds down range and a few more 1000 dry fires into it before you send it off for a trigger job. You might find that it doesn't need one. The DA mode is going to be rougher and longer than the SA mode. Big shock, just like every DA/SA pistol ever made.

2. The Military models will have the number 96 in a small oval space just behind (I think) the ejection port. It will have the import mark of "CZ-USA Kansas City" or something like that on the forward right side of the frame. It will also have the worst grips known to man. Replace them before you take the gun home if you can. Hogues, if they fit you , are great. Duct tape is better than the so called Ergonomic Grips that come on the Military models. The rubber factory grips feel real nice. I think that is what comes on the Tactical model.

If you really want to spoil yourself, check out the Hakain grips. You can find him lurking around here, also over at www.czforum.com. That is also a great place for all things CZ. I highly recomend you spend some time over there.

Hope that this info helps.

Peace out,
Calhoun
 
Cratz2,
Thanks, I thought that I might have mispelled his name. My appoligies to Hakan.

Calhoun
 
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My two pictured.

As stated above, the tactical is a green CZ-75B with a free knife.

I found that my Military (top left) had a decent trigger out of the box that just keeps getting better...the CZ-75"T" (bottom right - a transitional pre-B without firing pin block but with the larger grip well which accommodates after-market full caps) has a very sweet trigger.

I put Hogue FG's on both because I love the feel and it finds my hand perfectly.

I find the CZ-75 is my favorite 9mm platform and generally can make a novice shooter look pretty good...it's a very forgiving piece in my experience.

I paid about $350 for each of mine...prices have been rising on them over the past 18 months.

If you're into full caps, I've had outstanding luck with the CTD full caps.

Safe shooting,

CZ52'
 

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CZ52Guy,
Nice 75s. Did you change the sights on your 75B Mil? My Mil came with the 3-dot sights like your transitional has. If you changed them, what are they and how do you like them? Are they nights?
I agree with you 100% about the CZ75 being an outstanding platform for 9mm. I have yet to find a better one. I'm dying to get a 97 and see what they can do with a .45ACP.

Calhoun
 
Calhoun

75-B Mil' has night sights ordered from factory, locally installed (Trijicons I think...I'll have to check).

I like them a lot...added about 1/4" of sight radius...shot my best 7-yd group ever 1.125" while range testing them.

Transitional front is actually a wide blade (similar to some older BHP's I've looked at)...painted with sight paint for improved visibility...as are the rear dots...best groups ever at 20 and 25 yards <5" (both rapid fire by NRA bullseye standards).

Believe me...it's the CZ's...I am more than capable of shooting VERY WIDE "groups" from other platforms :D.

Safe shooting,

CZ52'
 
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Great replies, thanks, it's just what I was looking for.

Not having the pistol in front of me, I'm fairly certain that it has the "Kansas City" markings on the right side. I'll try to check for the 96. These pistols did not have the plastic grips with the thumb groove on the left side, oddly enough that grip fit me better than the standard.

Like I mentioned, the price was just his sticker price, but I hope to be able to talk him down a bit. I'd like to get one of the earlier military models if I can, otherwise I'd consider getting a nickel plated pistol just because of the durability of the finish.

Has anyone had any issues with the black finish over the long haul?
 
One other thing, I forgot to mention I'm a huge fan of the 9mm cartridge, for most purposes, flame away! :) Not to get off track, I think that there are three pistols which should be shot in 9mm in my experience:

Beretta 92FS, since it's so reliable and recoil is mild due to the large frame

Glock 19, 18 rounds of 9mm in a relatively compact, simple pistol is a good thing

Browning Hi Power, just because it's such an accurate platform.

The reason why I'd be interested in getting a CZ is because I've had all of the other pistols, and I'd like to try out the CZ because it feels so natural in my hand. I've got opinions on drawbacks to each of the three designs above, and I think that the CZ can do away with each.
 
I have tried all 3 of those platforms. They are all good guns, but I still prefer my CZ75B. But again, that's just my opinion. Try them all and see what you like. Different strokes for different folks.

As far as to the durability of the finish, I can only attest to the 75 Military(black polymer). Mine has held up well. I've had it for about 3 years now. Only a little holster wear. I have heard that the Military finish isn't as thick as the commercial polymer finish, but I don't know how true that is. It is a VERY durable finish though. I don't think that CZ still makes the satin nickel finish they used to. Too bad, it was beautiful. Whatever finish you get, you will enjoy the pistol.

There is one thing you should be warned about, as far as CZs go. Once you get one, you will want another. They are addictive... but FUN!!

CZ52GUY: Thanks for the info on the sights. I have been debating about the factory night sights vs. Xpress vs. Trijicon.

Calhoun
 
I don't think that CZ still makes the satin nickel finish they used to.
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They do still make the satin nickel finish. I have a CZ75B in satin nickel. I absolutely love it. It is the sweetest gun I have ever shot. My grandmother bought this pistol for me about a month ago. I can't tell you how exstatic I am about this pistol. Satin nickel is supposed to be the most durable finish CZ offers with the Polycoat close behind.

Here is a pic of my CZ 75B

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clipse
 
Clipse,
That is freakin' beautiful!! I have never been happier to be wrong. If they are still making guns in the satin nickel finish, well I guess I just found out what finish I want my next CZ in. Too bad it looks like they don't do the 97B in it.:(
Oh well, maybe I'll just have to get another 75B, or maybe a 75 Compact. :D

Calhoun
 
I love that pistol. It was made in 2003. I have less than 200 rounds through but soon to be more. I decided to have my wife try it out this sunday as long as I am feeling good(been sick). I also have a P-01 that had a bit much recoil for her. I put a heavier recoil spring on this so I hope that it would have too much recoil for her. Like I said though, I love this pistol. :D


clipse
 
The gun pictured above is NOT an 85B. Its an 85 Combat (sez so on the slide; have one). The 85 Combat is subtly different:

- adjustable sights
- extended mag release
- drop-free mags
- slicker internally
- no firing pin block
- more costly

Both 85s have ambi-controls.

Don't know for sure, but don't think the 85B is available in satin nickel. The 85 Combat is, at least for a while. (CZ has been talking about discontinuing that finish, and replacing it with a silver polycoat. Hope not.)

I've got an 85 Combat, with .22 (Kadet) adapter kit. a custom 75B SA, a pre-B 75, a Witness Sport Long Slide (in .45), an Asai One Pro (in .45), and a 75B Compact. Oh, yeah: a custom AT-84S. Love'm all.

(Also have an older, refined Browning HP and a Glock 34; love them, too...)
 
(CZ has been talking about discontinuing that finish, and replacing it with a silver polycoat. Hope not.)
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I hope not also. That would suck. But, would that make my CZ 75B worth more? If so, DANGIT. I got the gun to use. I don't want a gun that I have to worry about getting dirty or scratched up and hurting its value. I guess I'll keep it anyway. I will just have to get another one later that I don't have to worry about get scrathed. :D


clipse
 
Walt, thanks for pointing that out. I meant to type in that it was the Combat model. It's not much more costly than the 75B. $586.00 MSRP vs. $494.00 MSRP. Prob another 50-60 bucks street price.
 
I got what I thought was a reasonably good deal on my 85 Combat, and paid almost $500 for it. (Mine was satin nickel, which added something to the cost, I'm sure.) I've seen them for less, but not a LOT less. (But, as you said, 85B's aren't THAT much more than a 75B.)

I got my first 75B for under $300, and have picked up several other ones, since then for well under $400 -- folks routinely get 75Bs for anywhere from $325 - $350.

Personally, I think the 85 Combat is worth the extra cost.

And I'm not sure I'd mind a silver polycoat -- I'd prefer it to blue, but would, like you, prefer Satin Nickel to polycoat. Polycoat is pretty darned durable -- and anything that messes it up would totally screw up a "blued" gun. The only problem is that touching up a polycoat is something nobody seems to know how to do.
 
I've been thinking about a CZ 75 also. Should I get the 75BD model though since it has the decocker? I'm used to my baby eagle which has a a safety/decock lever.
 
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