CZ finally offers the 527 in 6.5 Grendel

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Llama Bob said:
Except as already well documented, they managed to make a heavier and bigger rifle than the competition. Whoopsie :D
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I must be confused again. ;) Stocks are a big part of a rifles weight. So are barrels. I think you know that. One rifle is not a good comparison of how light a rifle can be built. A true comparison would be to weigh one of your favorite "short" actions, sans barrel, with a mini action Grendel sans barrel.

To me anyway, it appears that you are saying the shorter action isn't capable of reducing a rifles weight?

Dollars to donuts you lose trying to back that up.
 
Not that it helps the op in any way, like most of the rest of this thread but someone was asking about the different bolts for AR's

Left to right, 458, 6.5 and .223.

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Never broke any but my hotrodding days are behind me, now I just get something more powerful, if I think I need it, more often than not.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
I must be confused again. ;) Stocks are a big part of a rifles weight. So are barrels. I think you know that. One rifle is not a good comparison of how light a rifle can be built. A true comparison would be to weigh one of your favorite "short" actions, sans barrel, with a mini action Grendel sans barrel.

To me anyway, it appears that you are saying the shorter action isn't capable of reducing a rifles weight?

Dollars to donuts you lose trying to back that up.
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No, what I'm saying is very simple: the 6.5 Grendel bolt actions are larger and heavier than their short action competitors. So the idea that they are some sort of "light rifle" is absurd. It's flat out contrary to fact. A lie. Could someone hypothetically build a lighter mini-action? Maybe. Have they done so? No. So unless you're willing to take a piece of bar stock and start machining a custom action, the Grendel loses yet again. It's string of failures is unbroken come to think of it - I've yet to find a single solitary thing it's actually good at compared to the competition.
 
This thread is ABOUT A mini action coming to market, to compete with another one already out, not to mention the custom builds on mini actions for 6.5 Grendel. Believe me, you can't go into a box store and buy a short action rifle that is lighter than the cz 527 mini mauser for the same money. At least not that i have ever seen. And I look often...
 
adcoch1 said:
This thread is ABOUT A mini action coming to market, to compete with another one already out, not to mention the custom builds on mini actions for 6.5 Grendel. Believe me, you can't go into a box store and buy a short action rifle that is lighter than the cz 527 mini mauser for the same money. At least not that i have ever seen. And I look often...
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Well then you may have looked often but you didn't look very hard, because they're readily available at a wide variety of retailers.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/11LH

They've been out for 5 years or so. Plenty of time for a man like yourself that "looks often" to find one...
 
Oh and we can't forget the Remington model 7 synthetic compact at 6.1 pounds. Because a guy like you who "looks often" would never have been anywhere near a Remington dealer.

I really want to hear from adcoch1 about how he's been on this search for light rifles, and yet somehow never managed to find any of the offerings by extremely popular and readily available brands. I'm sure he's got a good explanation, like he lives in Tanzania or something :D
 
At the price point of $515 bucks, which is the local price for a cz527, i haven't found a new, in the box, savage, kimber, ruger, et al that is less than 5.5 lbs in a short action. I know they probably exist somewhere for that price, but the greater western Washington area doesn't have them. BUT, you said the Grendel's are larger, not just heavier, and I've yet to see a long action Grendel. I willingly admit that the Grendel is in no way comparable to the 6.5cm, 6.5x55, 260, etc, especially in a short action, but in a mini action like the cz527 the 6.5 Grendel makes sense for a light, fast handling, deer gun.
 
If 1 extra lb is not a problem, IMO, in the 7lb category the best value today is the Bergara B14 with a remington 700 action the way it should be.
There is nothing in the market that matches the quality and value that you get. I don't think the prices are going to stay like this for long.

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adcoch1 said:
At the price point of $515 bucks, which is the local price for a cz527, i haven't found a new, in the box, savage, kimber, ruger, et al that is less than 5.5 lbs in a short action. I know they probably exist somewhere for that price, but the greater western Washington area doesn't have them. BUT, you said the Grendel's are larger, not just heavier, and I've yet to see a long action Grendel. I willingly admit that the Grendel is in no way comparable to the 6.5cm, 6.5x55, 260, etc, especially in a short action, but in a mini action like the cz527 the 6.5 Grendel makes sense for a light, fast handling, deer gun.
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The CZ 527 may have other merits, but it's not really that light for what it is. According to CZ's website the only 527's being offered in 6.5 are the American and the American rustic, both of which are 6.4 lbs ( not sure what rifle you were referring to at 5.5 lbs). In addition to the rifles mentioned by Lama Bob, most of the Ruger American line, the polymer GSR, some Tikkas, and the Howa Alpines are all lighter. If someone was specifically looking for a really light 6.5 G bolt gun, the Howa mini at 5.7 lbs would probably be a better (and cheaper) choice.
 
Gtscotty said:
the Howa mini at 5.7 lbs would probably be a better (and cheaper) choice
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Thats a good point. In terms of the howa, only downside is i dont think the howas come in wood stocks (which i love), or any stock besides the hogue (which i hate). Big reason for me to go for a the CZ. Some one who dosent want the extra 2" of barrel and dosent mind or likes the Hogue stocks i think its a more affordable option.
 
My walnut stocked cz 527 in x39 is 5.54# if i remembered correctly from when i put it on the scale. The howa stocks are the reason i don't own that one instead of the cz.
 
adcoch1 said:
My walnut stocked cz 527 in x39 is 5.54# if i remembered correctly from when i put it on the scale. The howa stocks are the reason i don't own that one instead of the cz.
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Is it the carbine? If so they are lighter, but not offered in 6.5, where the Howa is.
 
1st marine, I've got a Bergara B16. Great rifle and my friends that have shot it were impressed. Bergara makes nice firearms and is a good option for those looking for a new gun.

L Bob, why do you so passionately despise the Grendel round? I get your points about the bolts and extractors and while I've never had an issue with mine, I won't argue the shortcomings you point out when it's chambered in an AR15. As I don't plan on using mine as a battle rifle or as my primary means of self defense, I don't care. I don't recall anyone in this post saying the Grendel is the ultimate cartridge, yet you continue to say it's pretty much the worst cartridge ever chambered in any rifle. Ever. Why does it disturb you that others may enjoy it?

You state the 6x45 is a better choice. Do you have experience shooting and reloading them? I do as I own both. The 6x45 is cheaper to shoot and I'll likely never have a bolt or extractor issue but when you compare downrange energy there's no comparison.

Now you criticize the CZ 527. Have you ever shot or owned a 527? I have several and enjoy them. As I stated in an earlier post I love carrying them through the woods. It's a crf action, a set trigger and a walnut stock which makes it somewhat unique among the choices you listed. Does that make it better? Who knows, but its great to have lots of choices. If others enjoy it, why does it seem to bother you?
 
rayatphonix,
regarding the 6x45 and also 6mm TCU if one can load up to 2.440 COAL with the extra free-bore something magical happens. At full power, that is 62k psi with lets say lake city or WCC brass that
have the largest capacity, the 105gr bullets can be used given a 1:8 twist is also in place. From a 20" barrel these shoot flatter and further than the grendel. we are talking 200fps faster roughly for a bullet with better ballistics
coefficient like a simple hornady hpbt. Of course the 6mm Grendel wildcat can even do better within regular coal. But just saying there is more than meet the eye it if one is not limited by max COAL.
I have nothing against the grendel nor the CZ. It seems like a sweet combination for people who shoot those already. They probably did some market research before launching a new rifle.
 
I cant use the 105s in 6x47, but i drove the 95grn bergers over 28.5grn of 748@ 2.4-2.5some odd i think with no pressure signs, no accuracy either as they didnt stabilize, but no pressure. I could see a fast twist with 105s being pretty spiffy!

No chrono data from those either, but that had to be pretty hot.
 
adcoch1 said:
Mine is the carbine, 18.5" barrel, so a few more ounces would be added for the rustic...
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I'm not here to argue, but CZ says the Rustic is 6.4 lbs... It's right there on the website. Now that heft isn't going to crush anyone to death, but it's also not ultra-light given the mini-me sized action. Most folks would be looking at 7.5 lbs, or maybe a hair more with scope and mounts, some of that weight is just the price of admission for a hardwood stock. I like the 527's, but to me they make more sense chambered in .223.
 
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1st marine, I understand what you're saying, but best I can tell those lengths are beyond what can be magazine fed aren't they? I'm thinking it's tough to exceed 2.29 - 2.30".

I have to single-feed my ar when using .224 Nosler 80 gun hpbt bullets so I'm thinking I'd have to do the same with the long 6mm's, correct?
 
Are there lighter rifles? Sure.

Are there rifles as inexpensive, in a roughly equal weight class, that recoil as gently, with equal or better ballistics within 2-300 yards and have off-the-shelf, quarter-a-round ammo?

No.
 
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