rayatphonix
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Scotty, why does it make more sense? Rifle weights are the same for both cartridges, at least in the American model.
1st marine, I understand what you're saying, but best I can tell those lengths are beyond what can be magazine fed aren't they? I'm thinking it's tough to exceed 2.29 - 2.30".
I have to single-feed my ar when using .224 Nosler 80 gun hpbt bullets so I'm thinking I'd have to do the same with the long 6mm's, correct?
Are there lighter rifles? Sure.
Are there rifles as inexpensive, in a roughly equal weight class, that recoil as gently, with equal or better ballistics within 2-300 yards and have off-the-shelf, quarter-a-round ammo?
No.
Scotty, why does it make more sense? Rifle weights are the same for both cartridges, at least in the American model.
To be fair, a Ruger American in .243 is cheaper and meets most of those requirements, except ammo cost, which the Grendel doesn't really meet anyway. There is a cheap Grendel option in the steel cased 100gr Wolf, but reviews seem to indicate that it is usually a 3 MOA prospect. I would submit that using an ammo with that level of accuracy, nullifies any ballistic advantage over the .223 at the specified 200-300 yds. So if you want to use cheap ammo, you might as well be shooting a .223 ( even cheap 5.56), on the other hand if you're buying the better more expensive ammo and can handle a bit more recoil you might as well be shooting a .243.
243 ammo costs more, recoils significantly more and usually has poorer SD.
The steelcase Grendel ammo may not be the world's most accurate, but it's good practice and easy on the shoulder. No such equivalent in 243.*
*I'm not an opponent of 243. I prefer 25-06 for that niche, but it's a fine cartridge.
1st marine, I understand what you're saying, but best I can tell those lengths are beyond what can be magazine fed aren't they? I'm thinking it's tough to exceed 2.29 - 2.30".
I have to single-feed my ar when using .224 Nosler 80 gun hpbt bullets so I'm thinking I'd have to do the same with the long 6mm's, correct?
yeah I posted that one years ago courtesy of sscoyote from long range hunting forum.This isnt mine i snagged it from the web.
View attachment 228186 if your interested in the one for the grendel i can grab a picture of that later
your interested in the one for the grendel i can grab a picture of that later
Thanks im not actually sure where mine went lol haven't looked for it after we got back from Molokai.This is the one you sent me.
Poorer sd than what?243 ammo costs more, recoils significantly more and usually has poorer SD.
The steelcase Grendel ammo may not be the world's most accurate, but it's good practice and easy on the shoulder. No such equivalent in 243.*
*I'm not an opponent of 243. I prefer 25-06 for that niche, but it's a fine cartridge.
The arguments here are interesting and we all know companies don't wish to create junk products that don't sell. So the next question would be "why" are folks (like CZ) picking the 6.5G over other "better" rounds for a new release?
And yes I understand that there is more to selling something than it being a ballistic marvel or we wouldn't have all the 300 blk threads.
The arguments here are interesting and we all know companies don't wish to create junk products that don't sell. So the next question would be "why" are folks (like CZ) picking the 6.5G over other "better" rounds for a new release?
And yes I understand that there is more to selling something than it being a ballistic marvel or we wouldn't have all the 300 blk threads.
I want to like the 6.8 and/or the grendel in the ar platform. My current AR calibers are 762 39, 308 300bo, 5.56, 458 socom. Always seems to be lots of good points made about some of these calibers and then I look at the ballistic tables and the velocities attained and I am underwhelmed. I don't think there's enough room in the AR mags to get what I would like.
I want to like the 6.8 and/or the grendel in the ar platform. My current AR calibers are 762 39, 308 300bo, 5.56, 458 socom. Always seems to be lots of good points made about some of these calibers and then I look at the ballistic tables and the velocities attained and I am underwhelmed. I don't think there's enough room in the AR mags to get what I would like.
Ar-10 .260 rem if that don't get it done, Nemo .300 magnum.You mentioned a lot of calibers. Some very potent and some rather mild.
What is exactly you are looking for? I have been shooting those and a few others and perhaps I can help you decide.
Not sure if the room you mention is round count or COAL since you also mentioned the 308.
Did each rifle weigh the same? All of them shooting 100 gr bullets will have almost equal recoil if weight and lop are similar but only one has an appropriate SD for deer at 100 gr......that really is a fit/weight issue. The Grendel in a long tube will have less felt recoil than a 16-18" tube just because of extra weight alone.From my own experience, I'd rather shoot my .308 or 7x57 than a .243. Not sure what it is about them, but the kick is disproportionate to their size it seems.