MikeNice
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I would suggest looking at the available holsters. Make sure there is one you think you can live with. Holsters are hard to find unless you go universal or boutique. There isn't much in the middle ground.
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armoredman
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High Noon makes some very nice P-07 rigs.
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High Noon holsters are what I consider to be boutiuqe holsters. They run $89 for the cheapest model and go up from there.
What I mean by "middle ground" is that companys like Bianchi, Galco, Safari Land, and Fobus don't have holsters for the P-07. You either buy a universal holster or you plan on dropping $100 for a holster. Than can turn some people off.
I'm glad I didn't know that before hand because I would have passed on the gun. Then I would have missed out.
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CZ-USA and CZ Customs both have holsters for the P-07 in the $45 to $55 range. None of them really looked like something I would be interested in though.
Kirkpatrick Leather and Falco also make holsters in the middle price range. They have models that are interesting. I just don't know about waiting 10 days for a holster that might not be the best choice for me. Then you are at the mercy of an online retailer that may or may not have decent customer service.
What I mean by "middle ground" is that companys like Bianchi, Galco, Safari Land, and Fobus don't have holsters for the P-07. You either buy a universal holster or you plan on dropping $100 for a holster. Than can turn some people off.
I'm glad I didn't know that before hand because I would have passed on the gun. Then I would have missed out.
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CZ-USA and CZ Customs both have holsters for the P-07 in the $45 to $55 range. None of them really looked like something I would be interested in though.
Kirkpatrick Leather and Falco also make holsters in the middle price range. They have models that are interesting. I just don't know about waiting 10 days for a holster that might not be the best choice for me. Then you are at the mercy of an online retailer that may or may not have decent customer service.
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MikeNice
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I ran five rounds of 147gr Winchester Ranger Bonded hollow points. I wanted to make sure they would feed before I loaded up fifteen. They all fed fine.
I didn't know if they would feed properly or not. It seemed like half of the box had rough edges or small burs on the edge of the jacket. I dug through the box and picked out the five worst looking and feeling rounds. They went in the mag just fine. They all fed without a hitch or hiccup.
I shot one through a trio of Bolthouse Farms' juice bottles. It went through all three and was not recovered. There was evidence of expansion starting on the back side of the first bottle. The back of the third bottle had a perfect half inch hole on the back side. So, the bullet opened up exactly the way it should.
(I choose Bolthouse Farms' bottles because they accurately show what the bullet does. There is no big explosion, but the plastic doesn't rip apart like a milk jug. It is more elastic and the only deformation is a bulge in the side wall where the bullet exits.)
The total count is now 61 rounds. There have been no malfunctions of any kind. There are no bulges or other frame issues. The gun is holding up well.
So far the most accurate round for me has been the Remmington UMC 115gr FMJ. It grouped nicely and had minimal kick.
I didn't know if they would feed properly or not. It seemed like half of the box had rough edges or small burs on the edge of the jacket. I dug through the box and picked out the five worst looking and feeling rounds. They went in the mag just fine. They all fed without a hitch or hiccup.
I shot one through a trio of Bolthouse Farms' juice bottles. It went through all three and was not recovered. There was evidence of expansion starting on the back side of the first bottle. The back of the third bottle had a perfect half inch hole on the back side. So, the bullet opened up exactly the way it should.
(I choose Bolthouse Farms' bottles because they accurately show what the bullet does. There is no big explosion, but the plastic doesn't rip apart like a milk jug. It is more elastic and the only deformation is a bulge in the side wall where the bullet exits.)
The total count is now 61 rounds. There have been no malfunctions of any kind. There are no bulges or other frame issues. The gun is holding up well.
So far the most accurate round for me has been the Remmington UMC 115gr FMJ. It grouped nicely and had minimal kick.
MikeNice
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Off to pop bottles
Time to get clean
I put ten more rounds through the gun today. We are now up to 71. Today was the test I was waiting to do. I mixed five 147gr Winchester Ranger Bonded rounds and five 147gr Winchester Ranger FMJ rounds. The FMJ rounds are flat tipped. To me this was where the gun would prove it's worth. If it could run the beat up Bonded and the flat point FMJ, I would be impressed.
It handled the chore without a problem. It ran the flat point and the hollow point with grace and style. After ten rounds the CZ was taunting me. It was begging me to throw another trifling chanllenge in it's direction. So, I conceded.
I am getting use to the gun and the accuracy is improving. I have pulled my four shot groups down to 3.5" at 6 yards with 147gr. I tend to get a flyer in every group of five. Even with the flyer the groups stay around 4.5". That isn't great but it is improving. That should be good enough for most SD encounters. So, I have finally stoked a full clip with the 147gr Ranger ammo for carry. I staggered the FMJ and HP because I get slightly better groups with the FMJ. I don't know why, but I'll take any help I can get.
I field stripped and cleaned the gun afterwards. Everything is still in good shape. There are no bulges or other signs of frame stress. My only concern is that the hammer is now bright and shiny where the slide hits it. I cleaned it well and hope that it doesn't become an issue that leads to gouging or chipping.
A neat little bonus for the day. One of the mags finally started accepting 16 rounds. So, it was loaded as such. However, it required a firm pat to fully engage when at max capacity. I wouldn't try loading it +1 unless I planned on shooting soon. It seems like there may be enough pressure to cause some kind of issue. I'm still using it as a 15+1. I just get to load them all in the mag at once. I'm hoping this issue will clear up.
Monday's range trip has been postponed. The range will be closed for police qualification tests. I am going to try to put both mags down range at an alternative location. Hopefully I will be over 100 by Tuesday.
(If I shoot on Monday I will shoot 14 rounds of 147gr FMJ, 9 rounds of 115gr Federal Champion, and 8 rounds of 147gr Ranger Bonded.)
Off to pop bottles
Time to get clean
I put ten more rounds through the gun today. We are now up to 71. Today was the test I was waiting to do. I mixed five 147gr Winchester Ranger Bonded rounds and five 147gr Winchester Ranger FMJ rounds. The FMJ rounds are flat tipped. To me this was where the gun would prove it's worth. If it could run the beat up Bonded and the flat point FMJ, I would be impressed.
It handled the chore without a problem. It ran the flat point and the hollow point with grace and style. After ten rounds the CZ was taunting me. It was begging me to throw another trifling chanllenge in it's direction. So, I conceded.
I am getting use to the gun and the accuracy is improving. I have pulled my four shot groups down to 3.5" at 6 yards with 147gr. I tend to get a flyer in every group of five. Even with the flyer the groups stay around 4.5". That isn't great but it is improving. That should be good enough for most SD encounters. So, I have finally stoked a full clip with the 147gr Ranger ammo for carry. I staggered the FMJ and HP because I get slightly better groups with the FMJ. I don't know why, but I'll take any help I can get.
I field stripped and cleaned the gun afterwards. Everything is still in good shape. There are no bulges or other signs of frame stress. My only concern is that the hammer is now bright and shiny where the slide hits it. I cleaned it well and hope that it doesn't become an issue that leads to gouging or chipping.
A neat little bonus for the day. One of the mags finally started accepting 16 rounds. So, it was loaded as such. However, it required a firm pat to fully engage when at max capacity. I wouldn't try loading it +1 unless I planned on shooting soon. It seems like there may be enough pressure to cause some kind of issue. I'm still using it as a 15+1. I just get to load them all in the mag at once. I'm hoping this issue will clear up.
Monday's range trip has been postponed. The range will be closed for police qualification tests. I am going to try to put both mags down range at an alternative location. Hopefully I will be over 100 by Tuesday.
(If I shoot on Monday I will shoot 14 rounds of 147gr FMJ, 9 rounds of 115gr Federal Champion, and 8 rounds of 147gr Ranger Bonded.)
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MikeNice
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The polymer on mine feels as sturdy as a Glock or Ruger SR9c. They have made some improvements to the quality of the frame over time. With a mag in the well it feels substantial and strong.
If you get the chance to try out one manufactured with the serial # begining 81 you might change your mind.
If you get the chance to try out one manufactured with the serial # begining 81 you might change your mind.
MikeNice
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I'm going to stop making plans when it comes to shooting. They all fall through. I did not get to go to the range or my alternate location. My kid's day care flooded when a water pipe burst. So, I was up well before I wanted to be. I was also occupied and didn't get to make the big trip.
I did have time to set up a test in my bag yard. I just completed a thorough amatuer expansion test of the Winchester Ranger Bonded 147gr round.
I shot three rounds in to bottles of Bolthouse Farms Blue Goodness. One round was fired high, another in the middle, and the third bullet low. All bullets hit liquid. To make things interesting I placed two layers of medium weight t-shirt and two layers of sweat shirt over the bottles. It represents actual winter wear in my area.
All three rounds did expand. The largest expanded to 9/16ths of an inch. The other two expanded to 7/16ths of an inch. None of the bullets appeared to be clogged. They all penetrated at least 14 inches and came to rest in the final jug.
I noticed that several of the transition holes were oddly shaped. It appeared that two of the bulltets may have turned side ways during penetration. Does that really effect performance? I'm not sure. I do know that the "sideways" holes measured slightly larger than the straight holes at the widest point. I couldn't tell which wound profile would be "better." I just know that they both could be lethal.
My next test was using old plastic ice cream jugs. A friend of mine donated the jugs and tops. His church had used them for easter baskets and had a ton left over. He asked if I wanted them and I said "oh yeah." I filled them up and laid the legs of an old pair of jeans across the front. In my estimation that is for layers of denim. I have only worn the jeans twice so they wear still heavy and stiff.
I fired three bullets with the same basic results as the first test. I measured a shortest penetration of 15 and 5/8 inches. The longest was 16 and 3/8 inches. Expansion was roughly .5 inches for every bullet. One bullet was recovered laying sideways in the water.
Then I decided to try a test the FBI doesn't use. I stuffed a milk jug of water in to the cavity in a cinder block. Then I fired two rounds through the block. It looked like the picture of expansion through steel. It was pretty much a round little gnarled ball. It would still be potentially lethal. So, if you ever have to shoot through half a cinder block you should be okay.
The round count is now 79. There are still no major issues and I'm happy with the gun. I'm still jerking the trigger a little bit. You can feel when the hammer goes from half cock to full cock. I am seriously over compensating for the slight stacking.
I will repost the ammo portion as a seperate thread for those that aren't following the thread.
I did have time to set up a test in my bag yard. I just completed a thorough amatuer expansion test of the Winchester Ranger Bonded 147gr round.
I shot three rounds in to bottles of Bolthouse Farms Blue Goodness. One round was fired high, another in the middle, and the third bullet low. All bullets hit liquid. To make things interesting I placed two layers of medium weight t-shirt and two layers of sweat shirt over the bottles. It represents actual winter wear in my area.
All three rounds did expand. The largest expanded to 9/16ths of an inch. The other two expanded to 7/16ths of an inch. None of the bullets appeared to be clogged. They all penetrated at least 14 inches and came to rest in the final jug.
I noticed that several of the transition holes were oddly shaped. It appeared that two of the bulltets may have turned side ways during penetration. Does that really effect performance? I'm not sure. I do know that the "sideways" holes measured slightly larger than the straight holes at the widest point. I couldn't tell which wound profile would be "better." I just know that they both could be lethal.
My next test was using old plastic ice cream jugs. A friend of mine donated the jugs and tops. His church had used them for easter baskets and had a ton left over. He asked if I wanted them and I said "oh yeah." I filled them up and laid the legs of an old pair of jeans across the front. In my estimation that is for layers of denim. I have only worn the jeans twice so they wear still heavy and stiff.
I fired three bullets with the same basic results as the first test. I measured a shortest penetration of 15 and 5/8 inches. The longest was 16 and 3/8 inches. Expansion was roughly .5 inches for every bullet. One bullet was recovered laying sideways in the water.
Then I decided to try a test the FBI doesn't use. I stuffed a milk jug of water in to the cavity in a cinder block. Then I fired two rounds through the block. It looked like the picture of expansion through steel. It was pretty much a round little gnarled ball. It would still be potentially lethal. So, if you ever have to shoot through half a cinder block you should be okay.
The round count is now 79. There are still no major issues and I'm happy with the gun. I'm still jerking the trigger a little bit. You can feel when the hammer goes from half cock to full cock. I am seriously over compensating for the slight stacking.
I will repost the ammo portion as a seperate thread for those that aren't following the thread.
MikeNice
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Well I finally got to run another good string of ammo through the P-07. I shot a 60 round mix of 115gr and 147gr FMJ. I also ran 5 more of my Ranger Bonded 147gr rounds to test "combat accuracy."
There were absolutely zero problems with the gun. It ran fine. Everything fed and fired without a hitch. The trigger is continuing to smooth out. The DA pull is losing the stiffness between "stages." The SA pull is improving, but not as fast.
I am loving the gun more every time I shoot it.
The only issue with the gun is the shooter. I have to work on maintaining trigger and stance discipline. I've went from jerking the trigger to tightening my grip and dropping my head. I kept all of my shots in the scoring area of a B-2 target. I wouldn't really call it grouping though. The average spread was 4" at 8 yards.
I'm going to be seeking out professional help. I was shooting sub 3" groups at that distance with .38spl+P in a 3" barrel. Now I'm out to 4" with all of my guns.
So far the gun is great and the shooter is garbage.
Total Round Count: 144
There were absolutely zero problems with the gun. It ran fine. Everything fed and fired without a hitch. The trigger is continuing to smooth out. The DA pull is losing the stiffness between "stages." The SA pull is improving, but not as fast.
I am loving the gun more every time I shoot it.
The only issue with the gun is the shooter. I have to work on maintaining trigger and stance discipline. I've went from jerking the trigger to tightening my grip and dropping my head. I kept all of my shots in the scoring area of a B-2 target. I wouldn't really call it grouping though. The average spread was 4" at 8 yards.
I'm going to be seeking out professional help. I was shooting sub 3" groups at that distance with .38spl+P in a 3" barrel. Now I'm out to 4" with all of my guns.
So far the gun is great and the shooter is garbage.
Total Round Count: 144
BRE346
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I'm looking forward to learning if mine is going to be as good as claimed by others.
This P07 is on the way back to Denver with a warped frame and a black-coated barrel ramp. I surely hope this is not common in a CZ.
This P07 is on the way back to Denver with a warped frame and a black-coated barrel ramp. I surely hope this is not common in a CZ.
I talked to CZ-USA recently about some parts I wanted to install, and brought up that I was going to be buying a P-07 at some point and asked if the frame bulge and mag drop issues had been resolved. The technician said that they had been fixed now and look for one with a serial number in the 8000 range. FYI.
MikeNice
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Some of the early ones were pretty rough. CZ has been out right replacing many of them with a new gun. I would trust in CZ to return you something enjoyable.
For anybody else buying a P-07 I suggest going to your LGS and ordering it. That seems to be the best way to get a mid or late 2010 manufactured pistol. The one my co-worker ordered from Bud's was a late 2009 with the 6 serial number. The two that my LGS ordered were both from September 2010.
If you look on the right side of the slide you can find the manufacture year. It will be stamped just before the serial number near the muzzle.
For anybody else buying a P-07 I suggest going to your LGS and ordering it. That seems to be the best way to get a mid or late 2010 manufactured pistol. The one my co-worker ordered from Bud's was a late 2009 with the 6 serial number. The two that my LGS ordered were both from September 2010.
If you look on the right side of the slide you can find the manufacture year. It will be stamped just before the serial number near the muzzle.
MikeNice
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I just ran 23 rounds of 115gr Remington FMJ and 9 rounds of 147gr Winchester Ranger bonded. The total count is 176 rounds.
The gun is running fine. The stages are completely gone in the DA pull. There is a bit of stacking up now. The DA pull feels like SA untill the last 1/4 of the pull. Then the weight piles on.
The SA pull is lightening up. It is short and crisp. It feels more like a SAA clone than a 1911. Hopefully that makes sense to somebody besides me.
My groups are coming together. When I was finishing up with the 147gr I managed two 2.25" groups at 6 yards. At 8 yards it was 2 and 13/16".
I still love the gun and I would still recomend a new one to anybody looking for a handgun between $450 and $500.
There was one unusual thing that happened. When I got to the last nine rounds it started tossing them to the left and backwards over my head. Previously it was throwing the brass 4- 7 feet right. It still tosses the brass a good distance it has just become omnidirectional.
The gun is running fine. The stages are completely gone in the DA pull. There is a bit of stacking up now. The DA pull feels like SA untill the last 1/4 of the pull. Then the weight piles on.
The SA pull is lightening up. It is short and crisp. It feels more like a SAA clone than a 1911. Hopefully that makes sense to somebody besides me.
My groups are coming together. When I was finishing up with the 147gr I managed two 2.25" groups at 6 yards. At 8 yards it was 2 and 13/16".
I still love the gun and I would still recomend a new one to anybody looking for a handgun between $450 and $500.
There was one unusual thing that happened. When I got to the last nine rounds it started tossing them to the left and backwards over my head. Previously it was throwing the brass 4- 7 feet right. It still tosses the brass a good distance it has just become omnidirectional.
MikeNice
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I ran another 48 rounds of ammunition through the gun Saturday. The total is now 224.
I shot 16 rounds of CCI Blazer Brass 124gr. The gun shoots this stuff so well I might start looking at 124gr for carry. The gun was cold and I was cold, so to speak. These were the first sixteen rounds down the "range." I had two groups of three that overlapped and tore a nice ragged hole in the left side of the bullseye from seven yards. I kept the whole clip in a 5.25" circle at a nice measured clip.
Next up was 147gr Winchester USA hollow points. I recieved these as a gift and will probably use them as back up to my Ranger Bonded after I personally test a couple. They fed and fired well. My accuracy wasn't as good with these rounds. Firing a little faster than with the Blazer I struggled to maintain a 6.25" group. I was shooting faster, the mosqitues had come out and I was sweating like a pig. Still I was disapointed with my performance.
The last string was 16 115gr Federal Champion rounds. I was sweating so bad it was getting in my eyes. The themometer was reading 93 degrees, the humidity was bad, and the mosqitoes were using my face for a buffet. So, I rushed through these. I wanted to get back inside and wipe down. All 16 rounds fired and fed without exception. I managed to keep them all on the paper of a Birchwood Casey/ Winchester 6" target. That is about the only thing I can say. It was ragged and sloppy shooting.
So far I have had zero malfunctions with this gun. The mags still drop like a lead weight. The magazines hold 16 rounds but, the last one still feels a little too tight. I might switch back to 15 + 1. I just feel like there is too much tension against the feed lips with 16 rounds.
The trigger is getting better with every shot. The stages are gone and the stacking is less of an issue. As good as this gun is now, it makes me excited to think of the feel after 500 or 600 rounds.
This gun could have been pressed in to service straight out of the box. That seems to be pretty rare these days. Well, it seems to be rare in internet land. I can honestly say that I trust this gun to serve when needed. I would trust this gun to save my life. More importantly I trust this gun to save my wife and kid's lives if needed.
On the next report we will see how well Winchester USA 147gr hps do through t-shirt in to water, or I'll shoot from 15 yards to test my own ability.
I shot 16 rounds of CCI Blazer Brass 124gr. The gun shoots this stuff so well I might start looking at 124gr for carry. The gun was cold and I was cold, so to speak. These were the first sixteen rounds down the "range." I had two groups of three that overlapped and tore a nice ragged hole in the left side of the bullseye from seven yards. I kept the whole clip in a 5.25" circle at a nice measured clip.
Next up was 147gr Winchester USA hollow points. I recieved these as a gift and will probably use them as back up to my Ranger Bonded after I personally test a couple. They fed and fired well. My accuracy wasn't as good with these rounds. Firing a little faster than with the Blazer I struggled to maintain a 6.25" group. I was shooting faster, the mosqitues had come out and I was sweating like a pig. Still I was disapointed with my performance.
The last string was 16 115gr Federal Champion rounds. I was sweating so bad it was getting in my eyes. The themometer was reading 93 degrees, the humidity was bad, and the mosqitoes were using my face for a buffet. So, I rushed through these. I wanted to get back inside and wipe down. All 16 rounds fired and fed without exception. I managed to keep them all on the paper of a Birchwood Casey/ Winchester 6" target. That is about the only thing I can say. It was ragged and sloppy shooting.
So far I have had zero malfunctions with this gun. The mags still drop like a lead weight. The magazines hold 16 rounds but, the last one still feels a little too tight. I might switch back to 15 + 1. I just feel like there is too much tension against the feed lips with 16 rounds.
The trigger is getting better with every shot. The stages are gone and the stacking is less of an issue. As good as this gun is now, it makes me excited to think of the feel after 500 or 600 rounds.
This gun could have been pressed in to service straight out of the box. That seems to be pretty rare these days. Well, it seems to be rare in internet land. I can honestly say that I trust this gun to serve when needed. I would trust this gun to save my life. More importantly I trust this gun to save my wife and kid's lives if needed.
On the next report we will see how well Winchester USA 147gr hps do through t-shirt in to water, or I'll shoot from 15 yards to test my own ability.
I wasn't really in to the p-07, seeing it online and in magazines, but I handled one in the store and I was impressed. The fit and finish seems good and I like that it has many of the traits my PCR had (half-cock, similar feel on the decocker, similar feel on the trigger). I had kind of written it off as an obligatory polymer that would not really have the CZ DNA, but I was wrong. That being said, I can't comment on the reliability.
MikeNice
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14 days without shooting and I could tell. I fired five rounds of 147gr Winchester USA JHP. I managed to miss the 3" x 5" target area completely at eight yards. Which sucked because I was trying to test for expansion after passing through four layers of t-shirt with a vinyl design on the front.
Oh well, 229 rounds and no problems to report.
Oh well, 229 rounds and no problems to report.
MikeNice
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I went out and put 175 rounds of 115gr and 147gr ammo through the gun today. It definitely needs a good cleaning. Unfortunately I also need to get in touch with CZ-USA.
The gun fails to stay open on the last shot. It seems to happen randomly. The only common factor is the magazine in use. It is the magazine that I usually carry 16+1. I don't know if it is an issue with the magazine itself or something more serious.
I also had a bad experience with two rounds of Winchester Ranger 147gr FMJ. Twice when I fired there was severe muzzle flash and the case jammed itself in to the barrel. THe round below it moved up just enough to freeze everything up. The slide locked back and froze up. I had to disassemble the magazine while it was in the gun. After the rounds fell out I had to pull out the unfired round. Then Racking the slide several times caused the jammed case to fall out. Both cases looked swollen compared to the other brass from the range session.
I have no idea what causes that kind of malfunction. Can anybody enlighten me? I plan on getting in touch with CZ on Tuesday. They were closed when I called today. Their office hours are 9am - 4pm central time.
Right now I trust the gun to work properly. I am not trusting the Winchester ammo now. So, I will not be ordering anymore in the future.
The gun fails to stay open on the last shot. It seems to happen randomly. The only common factor is the magazine in use. It is the magazine that I usually carry 16+1. I don't know if it is an issue with the magazine itself or something more serious.
I also had a bad experience with two rounds of Winchester Ranger 147gr FMJ. Twice when I fired there was severe muzzle flash and the case jammed itself in to the barrel. THe round below it moved up just enough to freeze everything up. The slide locked back and froze up. I had to disassemble the magazine while it was in the gun. After the rounds fell out I had to pull out the unfired round. Then Racking the slide several times caused the jammed case to fall out. Both cases looked swollen compared to the other brass from the range session.
I have no idea what causes that kind of malfunction. Can anybody enlighten me? I plan on getting in touch with CZ on Tuesday. They were closed when I called today. Their office hours are 9am - 4pm central time.
Right now I trust the gun to work properly. I am not trusting the Winchester ammo now. So, I will not be ordering anymore in the future.
MikeNice
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I checked out the gun when I broke it down for cleaning. There is no evidence of damage to the barrel. I think the shell expanded in the chamber and caused the issue. It came out after a few hard yanks on the slide. So, I think it was just a matter of "inching" it out.
The case was noticably larger to the naked eye. Plus the expansion was uniform. So, I don't believe it got in to the barrel.
The case was noticably larger to the naked eye. Plus the expansion was uniform. So, I don't believe it got in to the barrel.
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armoredman
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Sounds like an ammo problem. Also, have you cleaned the inside of your magazines? Packing goop can harden over time if not removed given a very light coat of oil...very very light coat. That might cause you mag follower not to fully pop up and engage the bolt hold open. As to the expanded rounds, can you post pics? I have had several issues with Winchester ammo in the past and won't buy any of their products. The customer service is horrible as well.
To be "expanded" means the cartridge had to be outside of the chamber, or the case would be no larger than any other fired brass. Bright fireball at the muzzle, makes me wonder if the ammo was double charged or worse, and forcing the sidearm into an early unlock, hence partially/trying to eject while hot gasses are still expanding in the barrel. Just a theory, I am not an engineer. Never hurts to call 1-800-955-4486 and ask the gunsmiths there.
To be "expanded" means the cartridge had to be outside of the chamber, or the case would be no larger than any other fired brass. Bright fireball at the muzzle, makes me wonder if the ammo was double charged or worse, and forcing the sidearm into an early unlock, hence partially/trying to eject while hot gasses are still expanding in the barrel. Just a theory, I am not an engineer. Never hurts to call 1-800-955-4486 and ask the gunsmiths there.
MikeNice
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The first thing I did when I bought my CZ was break it down and clean it. I had heard the horror stories about the packing grease.
I cleaned both mags pretty well. Then I cleaned them again after a hundred rounds. Now when I clean them I have a small process I go through. I take the mag apart and spray the inside walls with a light amount of Birchwood-Casey synthetic cleaner. I use a clean lint free towel or rag to wipe out the inside. If that comes out dirty I wipe it out again. Then I use a mop on a "t" handle to ensure that the interior is clean and dry. After that I spray the magazine spring lightly and rub clean. Then I use a Winchester gun cloth to rub down the spring again to give it a light coating. I also clean the floor plate. I haven't tried pulling the follower off to clean underneath of it.
I wish I had taken pictures of the brass and the gun. I just didn't think of it. My first response was "what the heck." My second thought was, "I would be dead if this was real." Taking a picture never crossed my mind.
I think you might have figured out the issue. As I think about the situation I realize I initially described the issue incorrectly. The fired/expanded shell was hanging about half way out over the feed ramp when I looked to see why the slide was open. I pulled the trigger, the round went off, and then it became partially extracted. It seems that your explanation fits what happened best.
My initial identification of the area of issue as the barrel was completely wrong. Growing up the chamber was always referred to as part of the barrel. Combine that with more revolver experience than semi-auto experience, add a dash of anger and a pinch of confusion. Then you get a completely botched request for help.
When I say the case was swollen I mean about 3/4 of it looked abnormally large. When I set it beside a Remington 115gr case it looked like a larger caliber.
Whatever happened I am sure it was not the CZ's fault. The large muzzle flash at 4pm tells me something was wrong with the ammo. I have never had an issue with muzzle flash from Winchester Ranger ammo during daylight hours. Even at late dusk it usually isn't very noticable. A couple of other rounds spit sparks to a lesser extent.
I know one thing for sure. I will find it hard to trust my life to Winchester ammo from here on out. If they have QC issues like that with supposedly "LE grade" ammunition there is a problem some where.
I'm going to call CZ about the magazine on Tuesday. So, I'll ask them about the whole situation.
I cleaned both mags pretty well. Then I cleaned them again after a hundred rounds. Now when I clean them I have a small process I go through. I take the mag apart and spray the inside walls with a light amount of Birchwood-Casey synthetic cleaner. I use a clean lint free towel or rag to wipe out the inside. If that comes out dirty I wipe it out again. Then I use a mop on a "t" handle to ensure that the interior is clean and dry. After that I spray the magazine spring lightly and rub clean. Then I use a Winchester gun cloth to rub down the spring again to give it a light coating. I also clean the floor plate. I haven't tried pulling the follower off to clean underneath of it.
I wish I had taken pictures of the brass and the gun. I just didn't think of it. My first response was "what the heck." My second thought was, "I would be dead if this was real." Taking a picture never crossed my mind.
I think you might have figured out the issue. As I think about the situation I realize I initially described the issue incorrectly. The fired/expanded shell was hanging about half way out over the feed ramp when I looked to see why the slide was open. I pulled the trigger, the round went off, and then it became partially extracted. It seems that your explanation fits what happened best.
My initial identification of the area of issue as the barrel was completely wrong. Growing up the chamber was always referred to as part of the barrel. Combine that with more revolver experience than semi-auto experience, add a dash of anger and a pinch of confusion. Then you get a completely botched request for help.
When I say the case was swollen I mean about 3/4 of it looked abnormally large. When I set it beside a Remington 115gr case it looked like a larger caliber.
Whatever happened I am sure it was not the CZ's fault. The large muzzle flash at 4pm tells me something was wrong with the ammo. I have never had an issue with muzzle flash from Winchester Ranger ammo during daylight hours. Even at late dusk it usually isn't very noticable. A couple of other rounds spit sparks to a lesser extent.
I know one thing for sure. I will find it hard to trust my life to Winchester ammo from here on out. If they have QC issues like that with supposedly "LE grade" ammunition there is a problem some where.
I'm going to call CZ about the magazine on Tuesday. So, I'll ask them about the whole situation.
MikeNice
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490 rounds total down range after Sunday. Me and my wife went through 86 rounds. There was no major issue. We fired 50 rounds of Aguila 124gr FMJ and 36 rounds of 124gr Blazer Brass.
I am disappointed in the performance of the CZ P-07 magazines though. The second of the original magazines is starting to malfunction. It failed to hold the slide open after the last round two out of seven times.
I've gotten to the point I can pretty much put 75% of my shots in the red on a Birchwood-Casey/Winchester target at seven yards. The gun is controlable and a joy to shoot. I am still happy that I purchased the gun. I just wish that the magazine springs were of better quality. I have been downloading to 15+1 ever since the first magazine started to malfunction. It hasn't really helped and that is a little disturbing.
I am disappointed in the performance of the CZ P-07 magazines though. The second of the original magazines is starting to malfunction. It failed to hold the slide open after the last round two out of seven times.
I've gotten to the point I can pretty much put 75% of my shots in the red on a Birchwood-Casey/Winchester target at seven yards. The gun is controlable and a joy to shoot. I am still happy that I purchased the gun. I just wish that the magazine springs were of better quality. I have been downloading to 15+1 ever since the first magazine started to malfunction. It hasn't really helped and that is a little disturbing.
MikeNice
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The P-07 magazine isn't the same as the other compacts. Will the springs for the regular compact's magazine work?
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