Cz p-07

[MikeNice]

Took the gun out again and hand multiple FTEs that resulted in double feeds. Double feeds in this gun always lock the slide back and freeze the mag release. I'm going to be contacting CZ about the repeated magazine issues. The springs in every magazine they have supplied wore out in less than a dozen cycles.

I am going to sell the gun. I just refuse to trust a gun were the design causes it to freeze up on FTEs.

 

[PabloJ]

Took the gun out again and hand multiple FTEs that resulted in double feeds. Double feeds in this gun always lock the slide back and freeze the mag release. I'm going to be contacting CZ about the repeated magazine issues. The springs in every magazine they have supplied wore out in less than a dozen cycles.

I am going to sell the gun. I just refuse to trust a gun were the design causes it to freeze up on FTEs.

It looks like CZ owes you a lot of money. Full refund for the gun, price of ammo used and most importantly time spent on the range. Thanks for saving me money, time and hassle.

 

[MikeNice]

I love the gun. It is an amazing shooter. I was hitting red with double taps at 10 yards. If the gun didn't freeze up, I would find a way to correct the spring problem myself. The freezing just makes it unsafe in a self defense scenario.

To correct the problem you have to take the base plate off of the mag while it is in the gun. You then have to let all of the ammo and the internals fall out. The next step is to dislodge the bottom bullet in the double feed. After that the slide slams home. You can then press the mag release and pull the mag body out. Yank the slide back a couple of times and the spent case falls free. Then, put in a second mag and continue shooting.

You could put the second mag in before attempting to extract the spent case. One time it worked. The second time it lead to another double feed.

This happened with Blazer Brass 124gr, Aguila 124gr, and Winchester USA 147gr JHP.

I'm thinking of trading it in on a Stoeger Cougar Compact.

 

[Bozwell]

I'd try and resolve the issue with CZ before trading it. That's not typical behavior for the P-07 series and it sounds like something is wrong with the firearm. To sell it as is, I would feel ethically obligated to disclose the problems it's having and that will of course impact its resale value. CZ has very reputable customer service and I'm sure they'd be able to resolve the issues you're having, one way or the other. Trading it at this point seems premature.

 

[MikeNice]

The FTE's have been rectified. A friend of mine checked it over for me. He called this morning and told me that small piece of metal had gotten between the extractor and frame. It was small enough that he almost missed it completely. I did miss it when I field stripped the gun.

He got it cleared out and fired a few rounds to test it, this morning. He experienced no FTEs. However, the fact that a malfunction as simple as a double feed or FTE can completely freeze the gun scares me. That can be fatal in the real world. This is my daily carry pistol. A design flaw like that is unacceptable.

Add to it that every magazine has failed, and I am totally turned off. Maybe the mags are just a bad bunch. Still 0 for 3 is a bad record. All three magazines have began failing to hold the slide open. To me that is a signal of trouble to come.

I just don't trust the gun anymore. Once the mags are replaced it should operate as designed. I just feel that design has a catastrophic flaw.

 

[m2steven]

I've had a P07 for 3 or 4 months now and it's one of my favorite 9mm pistols. It's got a trigger on par with my Kahrs and it's built like a tank and performs like a precision piece of equipment.

I would liken it to my Springfield 3.8 9mm Xdm but they are SO different physically. The triggers are similar and they both have the same quality feel and function. The CZ is 100+ dollars less expensive.

The Springfield has a grip safety which I never think about (people make such a big deal over this stuff). Also a decocker and thumb safety if I'm not mistaken. The Xdm and P07 are different but basically the same. Great pistols.

 

[MikeNice]

The gun will be going back to CZ on Thursday. So far all they have said is "we can take care of that." They haven't said if it is a design issue that causes the freezing. They refuse to give any idea what might be causing the issue. I had to complain to get them to pay shipping. They just told me to ship it back or get my FFL to do it.

I was underwhelmed by the level of service. It seemed like they really couldn't care less about being personable. They aren't concerned about your concerns. Just send the gun and they'll do something. Not a great way to keep customers.

If somebody has had three mags die and the gun is freezing it seems like you would be trying to ease their concerns. At least say, "sorry for the issues." No, CZ-USA just says, "we can handle that," and "send it in or have your ffl send it in." Even after I told them that my issues with the gun may affect my decision to buy another CZ they didn't seem to care.

I am severely underwhelmed.

 

[miles1]

This thread as made me re-evaluate wether i want to invest in CZ now.I hope the CZ75 doesnt have these issues as it was on my wish list for early febuary.

 

[Quick Shot xMLx]

That's an extremely weird problem and definitely not common with the gun. I have about 1000 rounds through my P07 and I haven't experience anything like that. Just wondering what model number is it? I have an A98xxxx and the 2 problems the earlier models are known for(mag drop/FTE) have definitely been addressed with this one because the mags drop like bricks and I've never seen a gun chuck brass so far before

 

[Bozwell]

This thread as made me re-evaluate wether i want to invest in CZ now.I hope the CZ75 doesnt have these issues as it was on my wish list for early febuary.

Every manufacturer has the occasional lemon and you tend to hear more about people's problems than when everything is working perfectly. That said, you can find plenty of reports of CZ providing absolutely fantastic customer service. I have 4 CZ's from the 75 series - a Pro-tek I, a Shadow custom, a 75B LE and a Phantom. The only problem any of them has ever had was I had the finish chip on the slide once. CZ refinished it for me without any questions asked. I haven't had a single malfunction though in any of these guns with thousands of rounds down range.

Ultimately it's your call if you end up writing the company off because of a bad report you read on this forum, but I'd also say it's your loss if you never own a CZ handgun. If you look, you can also find plenty of positive reviews of CZ firearms and CZ customer support.

As far as the P-07 design having a catastrophic flaw, I guess I just haven't seen evidence of that. There are tons of people who own these guns and they operate flawlessly. The earlier models did have some issues which they've now corrected and I've heard they are also changing the polymer they use in the frame to prevent the cosmetic bulge issues (starting next year I believe). If you had an errant piece of metal stuck in the extractor, that sounds like the source of your problems rather than some flaw in the design of the gun. That said, if you believe yours is simply a lemon and it's been sent back multiple times, I'd talk to their support department about possibly just swapping it out with another gun. Sometimes that's the easiest way to "fix" a gun with repeat problems.

 

[armoredman]

I am surprised, CZ-USA service has always been top notch, not that any of my CZs ever required it. The new P-07s coming out, like the version with the adjustable rear sight and threaded barrel, really caught my eye. I have also heard that the material has been upgraded, and that the newest ones were having no problems, very sorry yours has been a bad apple.
Perhaps you could ask to swap for a Phantom? Mine has been so outstanding it replaced my P-01 as daily carry.

 

[Pilot]

If your P-07 is sub 8000 range in serial number, that may be the issue. See if CZ will give you a later made gun.

All my CZ's have been flawless, and I've owned them for over 11 years. Try a PCR as a carry piece. That is what I use. Its great.

 

[miles1]

Every manufacturer has the occasional lemon and you tend to hear more about people's problems than when everything is working perfectly. That said, you can find plenty of reports of CZ providing absolutely fantastic customer service. I have 4 CZ's from the 75 series - a Pro-tek I, a Shadow custom, a 75B LE and a Phantom. The only problem any of them has ever had was I had the finish chip on the slide once. CZ refinished it for me without any questions asked. I haven't had a single malfunction though in any of these guns with thousands of rounds down range.

Ultimately it's your call if you end up writing the company off because of a bad report you read on this forum, but I'd also say it's your loss if you never own a CZ handgun. If you look, you can also find plenty of positive reviews of CZ firearms and CZ customer support.

As far as the P-07 design having a catastrophic flaw, I guess I just haven't seen evidence of that. There are tons of people who own these guns and they operate flawlessly. The earlier models did have some issues which they've now corrected and I've heard they are also changing the polymer they use in the frame to prevent the cosmetic bulge issues (starting next year I believe). If you had an errant piece of metal stuck in the extractor, that sounds like the source of your problems rather than some flaw in the design of the gun. That said, if you believe yours is simply a lemon and it's been sent back multiple times, I'd talk to their support department about possibly just swapping it out with another gun. Sometimes that's the easiest way to "fix" a gun with repeat problems.

Fair enough as i have no experience with CZ's myself.Im assuming the full metal CZ 75's are very well made.Just watched hickok45's review and it sure looks it would look nice with my M9 beretta.

Judging by the OP's feedback it doesnt sound like CZ's customer support is too helpful.Would like to hear the outcome of this thread eventually.

 

[Bozwell]

Well to be fair, the OP's FTE issue seems to have been caused by a piece of errant metal stuck in his extractor and were cured once that was removed. Given that he put 500 rounds through it before the FTE's started, it seems likely that it wasn't stuck in there from the factory. From what I can tell, he's sending it back to CZ because he had some bad malfunctions he couldn't clear that were caused by that random piece of metal stuck in the extractor. However, I've seen a Sig malfunction (from a friend's limp wristing) that took two of us at the range and a leatherman tool to clear. Malfunctions are sometimes tough to clear and I would think that's particular likely when you have a foreign object stuck inside the gun.

Given those facts and that the FTE issue is apparently resolved, I don't really know what he expected the support representative to say other than send it in and we'll take a look at it. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying he should be going through magazines that quickly. He shouldn't. I guess I'm not really seeing how the support department let the OP down under these circumstances.

 

[miles1]

Then in that regard im assuming the mags made by CZ in general are pretty good?Or have there been any reported problems with just this model maybe?

 

[MikeNice]

Boz, I had the same issue earlier with the gun. I had a sub 400 round FTE that resulted in the same lengthy correction. The piece of metal made the FTEs more common. However, the steps to correct it have been the same every time.

I also had another FTE today when manually cycling the gun. I took the long steps of getting it cleared. I then took it out with 124gr Aguila FMJ. On the fourth shot it locked up tight. I cleared it again and put it on the shelf. Every single FTE leads to the same process no matter how or when it occurs.

The gun is being sent out Friday.

 

[MikeNice]

Miles,

CZ has a good reputationin general. The P-07 has been going through some birthing pains. I got one with the A81 serial number. The mags have been dropping just fine. I have had no issues with the polymer.

My problems have been with the mag springs and the FTEs freezing the gun. I have heard of no issues with the magazines that come with the more established metal compacts.

 

[miles1]

Miles,

CZ has a good reputationin general. The P-07 has been going through some birthing pains. I got one with the A81 serial number. The mags have been dropping just fine. I have had no issues with the polymer.

My problems have been with the mag springs and the FTEs freezing the gun. I have heard of no issues with the magazines that come with the more established metal compacts.

Thanks for the response pertaining to the CZ75's as im still strongly considering getting one.

 

[Quick Shot xMLx]

Man that's weird because I haven't heard of any problems with the magazines. When you talked to them did you tell them you just want an entirely new gun/mags? They would just send you a different one. Sounds like you just have a bad one, it happens just take a look at the Gen 4 Glocks.

Also, you use some crappy ass ammo

 

[ratt_finkel]

As someone who loves most guns and isn't loyal to any brand. I must say I am thoroughly impressed with the P-07 duty. (75b is the only other CZ I've shot, fondled most of the others).

When this new model came out, I didn't see anything special about it. Just another lack luster polymer gun on the market. Unique styling, but still.

All that changed the 1st time I pulled the trigger. When you 1st grip the gun it just seems to line up naturally. It has an off feeling. Not cheap or plasticky, but certainly doesnt give you the tingles like a nice 1911 or 92FS.

The sights are decent enough and align well. Wow is this thing a shooter! There is virtually no recoil. And muzzle flip feels on par or better with the 92FS. Smooth as butter. Follow up shots are a breeze. Out to 15 meters it was accurate as several other full-size guns I had on the table.

This thing shoots like an all metal auto. All you die hard steel guys have to shoot this gun. You will fall in love with it!

 

[leadcounsel]

Overall good gun. I have two and no magazine drop free issues. Reliable and accurate and fun to shoot.

My only complaints are the cheap feeling safety lever and the cheap site paint. The paint came off when I got some cleaning solution on it.

 

[MikeNice]

I finally got my gun back from CZ. Well, actually I got a completely new gun. The manufacture date is 2011. I haven't had a chance to run it or even clean it yet. I'll do all of that on Tuesday.

The only thing I've noticed is that the slide release is extremely stiff. It takes both thumbs to disengage. I'm hoping it loosens up some. I might still just bypass doing anything with it and trade it in on a Stoeger or Ruger SR9c.

 

[Quick Shot xMLx]

It'll loosen up after some use. I would seriously give the gun another shot as you got a lemon the first time.

 

[MikeNice]

I'm really torn. When the first one worked it was great. Plus it looks like CZ has really improved some aspects of the guun. The feeding ramp appears to be a little wider and is polished to a mirror shine.

Plus, the model has a place in my heart. It was the first CCH I bought because it was what I wanted. The others were a matter of price or opportunity.

We'll see on Tuesday if I decide to shoot it.

Updated:
I got a chance to look at it a little more closely and I'm really iritated. The paint in the rear sight is already coming out on both sides of the "bucket" shape. The polymer feels more rigid and the serations on the slide are deeper. There seems to be some serious improvements.

It seems like they made some improvements and then skimped on some other things. The polymer feels better, the ability to grip the slide is better, the feed ramp is better, and the trigger pull is lighter. However, the slide release requires both thumbs to use and the paint is coming out of the sight.

I don't want to send it back for the sight paint. That seems almost petty considerring they sent me a new gun. However, it is still a gun with issues that will have to be fixed. It just bugs the crap out of me that after paying $483 for a gun I might have to modify it or work on it to get where it should be from the factory.

I'm going to do a dozen or so slide locks and releases to try getting the release loose. If it loosens up I might keep it. The sights will bug the crap out of me but I love the gun. If the release doesn't start to free up, the gun will be gone.

 

[Quick Shot xMLx]

The slide release WILL loosen up, it's not a matter of "if." Play with the slide and put some rounds in it and it will loosen up. The rear sight paint is just about the only "problem" left with the gun after the newer models addressed the drop mag/FTEs, well except the lemon you had