CZ P10C--first impressions

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I took my new CZ P10C out to the range today for its initial run...here are a few impressions.

Before I left the house, I read the disassembly instructions, and field-stripped the pistol to see if the bearing surfaces had been oiled at the factory. They had. I must say, this is, by far, the easiest pistol to field-strip and reassemble, that I have ever encountered.

At the range, I discovered that the magazine spring is very stiff. I have arthritis in my hands and fingers, and I found it difficult to load more than 5 rounds into the magazine. I shot 2 mags of 10 rounds, then 4 mags of 5 rounds. My finger and thumb joints hurt toward the end. CZ ought to have included a loading tool with the gun; I'll check to see if my Ruger SR9C loading tool works with the CZ magazine.

The gun comes with 3 backstraps of differing thicknesses; the thinnest one is installed. Although I take an XL-sized glove, I found the grip too deep for my liking (funny how I didn't notice that at the gun store). The front of the trigger guard is designed to be gripped by the index-finger of the off-hand, but was out of my reach.

Speaking of the grip, the backstrap is textured with tooth-like molded-in rectangular projections; these are prominent, with very sharp edges, and they bit into the palm of my hand as I shot the gun. It was immediately uncomfortable; so much so, that, after 30 rounds, I decided to don a pair of heavy leather work gloves that I had in the truck, to see if that would make shooting more tolerable. It was here that I discovered something disturbing: while wearing the gloves, I could not depress the trigger enough to make the gun discharge, no matter how much pressure I applied. I attribute this, provisionally, to being unable to depress the trigger-safety sufficiently to allow the trigger to work, while wearing the gloves. I've never heard of this happening before, and would be interested in hearing if others have had that problem. I own only one other pistol with such a trigger (the aforementioned Ruger SR9C), and haven't attempted to fire it yet, while wearing gloves. This failure to function for a gloved shooter seems like it might disqualify this gun for winter use. And it might be confusing, leading to a potentially deadly situation (accidental discharge) for a novice shooter. :mad:

I might have to take some fine sandpaper to the back of the grip, to round off the sharp edges of those teeth. I'll try applying some friction tape as a stopgap measure.

The gun weighs very little. Recoil was quite sharp, in fact the most I've experienced in a 9mm. Ejection was correspondingly forceful; out of 40 rounds fired, I was only able to find about 10 of my empties! I guess the others were launched into the stratosphere. My ammo was 115-grain FMJ Blazer.

The gun was accurate, and the sights appear to be well-regulated. They are easily acquired. I get quite annoyed when a gun with fixed sights won't shoot to point-of-aim (which I often find with, for example, older military-type pistols). I note that the light weight leads to muzzle-wobbling, although practice will suppress this somewhat. I shot at 15 yards, and my groups were certainly acceptable for self-defense use, despite the trigger pull, which was heavier than I expected. The trigger is two-stage, and I found about 5/16" of take-up before the sear is engaged (again, more than I expected).

I had no failures to feed or eject. I had to stop shooting after 40 rounds, owing to the discomfort inflicted by those aggressive backstrap teeth, even though I had brought plenty of ammo.
 
I took my new CZ P10C out to the range today for its initial run...here are a few impressions.

Before I left the house, I read the disassembly instructions, and field-stripped the pistol to see if the bearing surfaces had been oiled at the factory. They had. I must say, this is, by far, the easiest pistol to field-strip and reassemble, that I have ever encountered.

At the range, I discovered that the magazine spring is very stiff. I have arthritis in my hands and fingers, and I found it difficult to load more than 5 rounds into the magazine. I shot 2 mags of 10 rounds, then 4 mags of 5 rounds. My finger and thumb joints hurt toward the end. CZ ought to have included a loading tool with the gun; I'll check to see if my Ruger SR9C loading tool works with the CZ magazine.

The gun comes with 3 backstraps of differing thicknesses; the thinnest one is installed. Although I take an XL-sized glove, I found the grip too deep for my liking (funny how I didn't notice that at the gun store). The front of the trigger guard is designed to be gripped by the index-finger of the off-hand, but was out of my reach.

Speaking of the grip, the backstrap is textured with tooth-like molded-in rectangular projections; these are prominent, with very sharp edges, and they bit into the palm of my hand as I shot the gun. It was immediately uncomfortable; so much so, that, after 30 rounds, I decided to don a pair of heavy leather work gloves that I had in the truck, to see if that would make shooting more tolerable. It was here that I discovered something disturbing: while wearing the gloves, I could not depress the trigger enough to make the gun discharge, no matter how much pressure I applied. I attribute this, provisionally, to being unable to depress the trigger-safety sufficiently to allow the trigger to work, while wearing the gloves. I've never heard of this happening before, and would be interested in hearing if others have had that problem. I own only one other pistol with such a trigger (the aforementioned Ruger SR9C), and haven't attempted to fire it yet, while wearing gloves. This failure to function for a gloved shooter seems like it might disqualify this gun for winter use. And it might be confusing, leading to a potentially deadly situation (accidental discharge) for a novice shooter. :mad:

I might have to take some fine sandpaper to the back of the grip, to round off the sharp edges of those teeth. I'll try applying some friction tape as a stopgap measure.

The gun weighs very little. Recoil was quite sharp, in fact the most I've experienced in a 9mm. Ejection was correspondingly forceful; out of 40 rounds fired, I was only able to find about 10 of my empties! I guess the others were launched into the stratosphere. My ammo was 115-grain FMJ Blazer.

The gun was accurate, and the sights appear to be well-regulated. They are easily acquired. I get quite annoyed when a gun with fixed sights won't shoot to point-of-aim (which I often find with, for example, older military-type pistols). I note that the light weight leads to muzzle-wobbling, although practice will suppress this somewhat. I shot at 15 yards, and my groups were certainly acceptable for self-defense use, despite the trigger pull, which was heavier than I expected. The trigger is two-stage, and I found about 5/16" of take-up before the sear is engaged (again, more than I expected).

I had no failures to feed or eject. I had to stop shooting after 40 rounds, owing to the discomfort inflicted by those aggressive backstrap teeth, even though I had brought plenty of ammo.
The glove thing is odd. I'll have to get out a pair of heavy leather work gloves and try it.

I love the P-10C and have no issues with it. I like aggressive texturing and specifically like the texturing they put on there from the factory. Some people stipple guns aftermarket to get a more aggressive texture like that so that it locks into your hand in times of stress, sweat, etc. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

The relatively low bore axis, the aggressive grip texture, the indexing points, and the ergonomics help it to feel like it has little recoil to me for a polymer 9. I do not find the recoil to be bad at all. Try filling the mags to capacity to add weight as I also don't find it a particularly light gun for a polymer compact. It's larger than a Glock 19. If you're used to all steel guns, then it may feel relatively light, especially with only 5 or 10 rounds loaded. I've shot many a polymer gun, and I would not describe it as recoiling a lot relative to others. It could be a grip issue. Make sure you have no gap between your hands, and if you go thumbs forward and use the indexing points on the frame above the trigger guard, it helps mitigate recoil.

Mag springs can be tough. Get an UPLULA mag loader to save your thumbs. CZ used to include mag loaders with their 75 series. You could try loading the mags fully and letting them sit a while to loosen up the springs.

It disassembles like a Glock, which is quite simply. That part is not specific to CZ.

I'd say practice with it more, and maybe try it with the other back straps to see if you have fewer issues.
 
The glove thing is odd. I'll have to get out a pair of heavy leather work gloves and try it.

I love the P-10C and have no issues with it. I like aggressive texturing and specifically like the texturing they put on there from the factory. Some people stipple guns aftermarket to get a more aggressive texture like that so that it locks into your hand in times of stress, sweat, etc. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

The relatively low bore axis, the aggressive grip texture, the indexing points, and the ergonomics help it to feel like it has little recoil to me for a polymer 9. I do not find the recoil to be bad at all. Try filling the mags to capacity to add weight as I also don't find it a particularly light gun for a polymer compact. It's larger than a Glock 19. If you're used to all steel guns, then it may feel relatively light, especially with only 5 or 10 rounds loaded.

I am used to steel guns. I've been shooting handguns since about 1966, and as for plastic guns, have owned only the two I referenced above. I come from an "old-school" school, guns of the WW2 generation, all-steel WW2 surplus (and WW1-surplus) autos, and steel revolvers....Colt SAA, S&W, Ruger SA, etc....these were the guns of my father, my uncles, and others of their generation. The American-made iterations of those had, generally, good triggers. Those of other nations, were....well, luck-of-the-draw......
I've shot many a polymer gun, and I would not describe it as recoiling a lot relative to others. It could be a grip issue. Make sure you have no gap between your hands, and if you go thumbs forward and use the indexing points on the frame above the trigger guard, it helps mitigate recoil.

Mag springs can be tough. Get an UPLULA mag loader to save your thumbs. CZ used to include mag loaders with their 75 series. You could try loading the mags fully and letting them sit a while to loosen up the springs.

It disassembles like a Glock, which is quite simply. That part is not specific to CZ.

I'd say practice with it more, and maybe try it with the other back straps to see if you have fewer issues.
The other backstraps supplied with the gun are entirely too large for my hands. Do you know of aftermarket suppliers?
 
if the sights are on point you may want to put blue loctite on that set screw. mine backed out after the 3rd range session where i could move the sight with 2 fingers. maybe a couple of treads from falling out. i just centered it and tightened the screw and it shot to point of aim. i applied loctite when i got back home.
 
Interesting - we rarely if ever wear gloves down here, but I will see if I have the same issue.
When I got my C, the first thing I did was buy a sanding block and break the points on those grips - cheesegrater comes to mind. Once THAT was done, it was very pleasant to shoot. Oddly enough, on the full size F and the subcompact S I had no issue with the checkering.
Aftermarket suppliers - you might contact CZ Custom in Mesa, AZ, or Cajun Gun Works. Both of those crews are top notch.
 
I am used to steel guns. I've been shooting handguns since about 1966, and as for plastic guns, have owned only the two I referenced above. I come from an "old-school" school, guns of the WW2 generation, all-steel WW2 surplus (and WW1-surplus) autos, and steel revolvers....Colt SAA, S&W, Ruger SA, etc....these were the guns of my father, my uncles, and others of their generation. The American-made iterations of those had, generally, good triggers. Those of other nations, were....well, luck-of-the-draw......

The other backstraps supplied with the gun are entirely too large for my hands. Do you know of aftermarket suppliers?
I can appreciate that. I have and very much enjoy steel guns, but I do typically carry a polymer framed firearm. It's lighter and I don't have to worry about sweat causing rust on the frame, etc. I prefer the 1911 grip angle and guns that mimic it. I generally prefer hammer-fired guns to striker-fired guns, but there are some pros (and cons) to carrying striker-fired guns. Generally speaking, striker-fired triggers pale in comparison to a good SAO or DA/SA trigger.

I'm not aware of an aftermarket back strap supplier, but as armoredman mentioned, CZ Custom and Cajun Gun Works (in Louisiana) are good for CZ work. I have a "cajunized" CZ that is fantastic.
 
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