DA/SA in .45acp?

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mattdus

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OK, I currently carry a 1911a1, but I don't really feel comfortable with cocked and locked carry. I love my 1911 and will probably never get rid of it but I am wondering what you guys might recommend in an affordable DA/SA auto in .45acp. I prefer steel but it seems these days that isn't always an option. DAO is an option but not my first choice. I don't care much for the Glocks and will probably never even entertain the thought of buying one. I can open carry here in Virginia but I prefer to go CCW, so size is of some thought here.
Thanks in advance
Matt
 
Also the Sig P245 (its basically a chopped down P220). I should be getting a holster from HBE in the next week or so for mine. Can't wait since it'll finally mean I can CCW, and it's a great gun for that role.
 
Para Ordnance LDA and CZ 97B are all-steel. HK USP 45 is hard polymer...steel inserts sandwiched by polymer frame. All have 1911-type control lever.
 
got another sig 245 , very happy so far...

in 40k + rnds thru 16 sigs i have had 3 jams , all from the same box of grossly defective ammo (wouldn't go into MAX case gauge) still fed and fired on 2nd try ...
have had zero problems , replaced 1 recoil sring at 5k+ rnds , thats it ...
 
I don't have a Sig, but I do have a S&W 4506. I love that gun. I've fired over 10,000 rounds through it and have not had even 1 problem. It feeds every time and ejects every time. It's all stainless, built like a Sherman tank, and weighs nearly as much.
 
Broken record here, but take a look at this one:

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Hard chrome, adjustable sights, extended safety with shelf for thumb, extended mag catch, adjustable trigger, bull barrel, checkered slim line grips, checkered frame, 10 round mags (extensions available), polygonal rifling, and very, very accurate. Mags are cheap too. The 45 caliber Witnesses are the best value in my opinion in the entire line. As a 1911 guy I must say these guns take the CZ platform and add the features we tend to add to our trusty 1911s, for a lot less money.

GR
 
Besides the makes and models previously suggested, also look at Smith & Wesson and Ruger. However the CZ line offers a manual safety that is located on the back of the frame where your thumb goes, not high up on the back of the slide where it doesn't. They are probably as close to a SA/DA pistol that is similar to a 1911 as you can get.
 
Grayrider said:
Broken record here, but take a look at this one:

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Hard chrome, adjustable sights, extended safety with shelf for thumb, extended mag catch, adjustable trigger, bull barrel, checkered slim line grips, checkered frame, 10 round mags (extensions available), polygonal rifling, and very, very accurate. Mags are cheap too. The 45 caliber Witnesses are the best value in my opinion in the entire line. As a 1911 guy I must say these guns take the CZ platform and add the features we tend to add to our trusty 1911s, for a lot less money.

GR

This, and the CZ97 are the way to go!

Scott
 
You should learn to be comfortable with your Condition One 1911. I no longer own or will own any DA/SA guns. Why handicap yourself?

If you can't tolerate that, and must have a DA/SA .45ACP, I'll agree that the Sig P220 may be your best bet. It's by no means too large for CCW, and I carried one for years (owned two of 'em).
 
I'd offer that properly transitioning from cocked & locked SA pistols to Traditional Double Action (DA/SA, if you prefer) requires more than a little training, familiarization and practice on the part of the owner/user ...

It would probably be of value to have acquired DA revolver skills and experience at some point in your background, since that might be of help in learning to deal with the initial DA trigger stroke of a TDA pistol.

I was primarily a Colt 1911 and SA revolver owner/user by preference before I entered L/E work. I owned and used some DA revolvers, but my main preference was SA pistols & revolvers. L/E work naturally required that I change my focus a bit. I still carried a Combat Commander off-duty, and sometimes a 4 5/8" Ruger Blackhawk, but I was wearing a M66, and later a M686, at work.

I spent a lot of range time improving my DA revolver skills to where I was as satisfied with DA trigger strokes as I was with SA pistol & revolver trigger strokes.

Now, don't mistake my comments to mean that using a SA 1911-type pistol is 'easier', either. A cocked & UNlocked SA pistol with a light & short trigger stroke is just that ... a cocked pistol with a light & short trigger stroke.

When I was involved in helping set up some training for a small L/E enforcement unit to transition away from TDA pistols to SA 1911 pistols, the training incorporated a classroom portion and a range portion, and the new users had to demonstrate safe & knowledgeable handling and manipulation, as well as competent and accurate usage, over the course of some extended range use, both during the class and afterward, before they were authorized to start carrying the pistols.

Both designs have their requirements when it comes to the safe manipulation, handling, carrying and using of them.

Now, if you're bound and determined to acquire the necessary knowledge and skills to carry a TDA pistol for lawful defensive purpose, then there are some quality pistols available.

Personally, I prefer the lightweight aluminum frames for carrying 8-18 hours a day. ;)

Aside from the already mentioned SIGARMS P-245, I'd suggest you try an example of the excellent S&W M457S (Value Line) or the more costly M4513TSW. If you really prefer the additional weight of an all-steel pistol, then the 4.25" 4566TSW is a great pistol.

Now, S&W has recently discontinued (at least temporarily) the public catalog offering of all of the TSW pistols except for the 3913TSW & 4013TSW, so the .45 ACP TSW models might become a bit more difficult to find. They're presently selling them to L/E agencies, although I was told that they'd make production runs for any distributors that cared to place large enough orders for them. Otherwise, they're only listed in the L/E pistol section of the redesigned S&W website.

The owner/user preference regarding the differences between the P-245 & the M457S/4513TSW models are pretty much up to the opinions of the potential users, as both manufacturer's designs offer a good value for the money. Personally, I prefer the DA & SA triggers of the S&W models, and the slimmer grip profile of the S&W's ... but this is a subjective issue, and everyone has their own preferences.

You ought to put in some range time with any and all of the TDA pistols you're considering, of course, before you make a decision.

Best of luck.
 
thank you fastbolt, I should have stated one thing about myself when starting this thread, I work at the bottom of the ladder in the L/E community ;) , I am a Corrections officer. I am trained in the use of a revolver, and if I even thought of cocking a weapon into SA I would have about 6 feet burned off my tail surface by my training officer :) . I am used to DAO and greatly prefer my 1911 except for the cocked and locked. I cant get the thought of a mechanical failure out of my head no matter how hard I try. I am considering a new revolver for carry but the fact that it is easier to conceal an auto and I don't care for short 2" barrels has allot to do with my decision. in the end I will probably end up with a short .38 revolver for carry as well as a auto. My choice of .45 for the auto has allot to do with wanting ammo compatibility with my 1911 as I reload almost all my practice ammo.

As a side note one recommendation said something about polygonal rifling, as I reload mostly lead I don't think that will work too well from what I have heard, any opinions?
 
The S&W barrels are conventional cut rifling, last I checked ...

You know, if you have some reasonably developed revolver skills, there's a lot to be said for a revolver as an off-duty weapon.

I spent a number of years carrying medium & large framed revolvers off-duty, with barrels ranging from 4-6" for the full-size guns, and 2-3" for the short-barreled models.

Although I seldom carry a large framed revolver off-duty anymore, I still train with them, and I carry my 642-1 off-duty more often than not ...

Some of the newer .357 Magnum-capable 5 shot snub revolvers are nicely done, even if only carried with .38 Spl +P.

Edited for the usual brain-thinks-one-thing-and-finger-hits-a-different-key thing ...
 
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I don't have a Sig, but I do have a S&W 4506. I love that gun. I've fired over 10,000 rounds through it and have not had even 1 problem. It feeds every time and ejects every time. It's all stainless, built like a Sherman tank, and weighs nearly as much.
1. It is every bit as good as he says. The gun is a rugged and reliable. I'm upwards of 10k rounds as well, and I've had, IIRC, three fail-to-feeds, all with the same general bullet type (two were the same brand, same box). That's 3, out of 10k+. No other problems of note.

2. I hate the ergos. Try it and see if you like it. Feel is subjective. You might adore it.

3. This gun is big. Really big, and really heavy. CCWing might be...interesting.

Mike
 
S&w 4506

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1. It is every bit as good as he says. The gun is a rugged and reliable. I'm upwards of 10k rounds as well, and I've had, IIRC, three fail-to-feeds, all with the same general bullet type (two were the same brand, same box). That's 3, out of 10k+. No other problems of note.

2. I hate the ergos. Try it and see if you like it. Feel is subjective. You might adore it.

3. This gun is big. Really big, and really heavy. CCWing might be...interesting.

Mike

I have one (a 1006 as well) and reliability has been second to none. The 4506/1006 fit me better with the thicker Hogue grips. I don't feel that they're overly heavy, but I have to agree that they are far too large to be good CCW's.

Good compact DA .45 ACP's (IMO)

-S&W (I think) model 457
-S&W CS45
-Sig 245
-Witness Compact
-Para C-6 LDA
-Beretta cougar or mini-cougar 8045

Certaily there are others, but these are the ones I'd go for. I have a Witness Compact 10mm that is my daily CCW. A bit heavy, but its a whole lot of firepower in a small package.
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