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I was just watching The Factor on fox news and Bill had the DEA agent who shot himself on. To my surprise Oreilly sided with him and and said it was just an unfortunate accident and said anyone that makes fun or looks down on him is wrong.:barf:

I used to like Oreilly, he has said every one should have a gun in their home but I cant believe he said that! That DEA agent did have an accident BUT IT WAS TOTALLY PREVENTABLE!

Everyone makes mistakes but if you want to cry and start suing everyone because you look stupid for shooting your self in the leg is retarded:fire:. I think everyone of the parents of the kids in that class should sue him for Gross Negligence!
 
Well first of all he wasn't going to get the DEA idiot on the show just to make fun of him. Second of all, the "Professional" is looking for any gig to make a couple of bucks now that his undercover career is totaled. And most important, O'Reilly did utter the amazing words of "Every home should have a gun in it."

Works for me!
 
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I was just watching The Factor on fox news and Bill had the DEA agent who shot himself...
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Sorry folks...no "accident" here but gross negligence in gun handling! Why is a DEA Agent in classroom with loaded handgun? Isn't that illegal? How is it a moron government guy can get a loaded handgun in class?

Perhaps one of our skilled Mods can acquire and make video of DEA Agent a Stickie on this board for a while so all HighRoaders can see the gross negligence!

Sorry...I know sometimes it is not right to laugh at such things but I just can't believe the government allows these guys to have loaded weapons...what a mistake...
 
Nope, Mr. DEA didn't have an "accident." Accidents are things that occur due to causes other than negligence. There are such things as accidental discharges, but they are few and far between. This was not an accidental discharge. The man had his finger on the trigger when it should not have been on the trigger, and he was carrying a loaded weapon that he failed to properly clear.

That's not an "accident" -- that's a screw-up. He is, in reality, exceedingly lucky that he shot himself in the foot rather than killing a student.
 
....I thought the guy seemed a little enamored about his Glock, and his professional ability as a firearm expert....
 
This guy claimed he was showing students how to disassemble his firearm. That is total BS. He was standing in front of the class and there was no table for disassembly. This guy was trying to act cool and brag about his "Glock 40". He had the slide locked back, but a loaded magazine inserted. He was acting all cool and released he slide and pulled on the Glock trigger while in the middle of holstering the gun. Now suing the government. I saw the tape and think it was 100% his fault.
 
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Subject: DEA buffoon
Bill,

This guy, a self proclaimed expert, negligently discharged a firearm in a roomful of kids!

As a certified gun nut myself, I still can find no room in my heart for anything but ridicule for this government employee.

I am disheartened that you do not hold our "protectors" to a higher standard.
 
Remember, just a little while ago, you guys pointed out that Bill is ignorant when it comes to guns. While he says that he believes everyone has had one, we know that he didn't even consider getting a handgun and training until post-Katrina. Being that he is an NY resident, it wouldn't surprise me if he is still waiting for the permit to keep that promise. Maybe after he gets that training he promised to get, he'll understand how it is a negligent discharge. I think I will write the factor after the 11p rerun.
 
It wouldn't have been so bad if the guy hadn't just been bragging about he was the only one "professional" enough to handle such a weapon. And on the show he was trying to make the point that it was just a common mistake.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. The man's a buffoon, a professional and most amateurs know enough to keep their finger off the trigger even if the gun is "unloaded."

I like O'Reilly, but he's obviously ignorant on this subject.
 
Bill has mud on his face on this one, I think he will be brought back to earth when the emails come pouring in. They are pouring in aren't they?
 
Hmm.. ***?
The guy is saying pulling the trigger is part of clearing the glock?
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Yes it is.

If you want to strip it, you must let the "hammer drop".

Typically we do this after looking inside the chamber to make sure that it is empty, and even after that, we still point the muzzel in a dirrection that it is safe to shoot!

I do not consider my thigh to be a safe thing at which to shoot!:what:
 
Yeah, you have to pull the trigger to field-strip the Glock. Preferably after you clear the pistol.

I'm guessing O'Reilly didn't play the video, did he? I'd like to see that agent watch the video and comment on it..........
 
This guy should have unloaded the weapon before he showed it . He had no reason to have it loaded in a classroom . If he taught anything to the kids it was always handle a gun as if it's loaded ! He i guess Forgot :rolleyes:
 
[email protected] <[email protected]>

"As a police officer and police firearms instructor in Pennsylvania, this =
bozo gives not only the law enforcement field a bad rep, but also the =
millions of competent gun owners in America.

He is an embarrassment to us all. He obviously knows nothing about safe
gun handling. What would have happened if he had shot someone else? Oh, sorry it was an accident? Instead he only shoots himself. Maybe he'll learn a thing or two.

I'd like to know what his credentials are for trying to give a "safety" class. Whoever certified this guy needs to re-think his evaluation. This yo-yo needs re-training.....NOW!!

And now he wants to sue the DEA because of his idiotic actions? The DEA should sue him for tarnishing their reputation!! If I were his superior, he'd be a crossing guard and a very non-busy corner.

Steve in PA"
 
Whatever we call it - it was a 'screw-up accident.' nevertheless, it was still an accident. however, the agent did one thing right (more or less) the muzzle was pointing downward, presumably a safe direction. Most accidents are preventable. But accidents do happen the least you expect it. Even how much you calculate the risk they do happen. When the titanic hit the berg-it was an accident to most people but some say it was due to gross negligence and misconduct. Preventable? You bet. Shuttles Challenger and Columbia mishaps (was it due to their solid rocket motors), preventable? Of course, but again these are accidents - and we hope to learn from them.

What saddens me on how some people smile on the misfortunes of others. The truth is the agent's carreer is now thrown to chicken manure. Obviously, he's lost the confidence and respect of his peers and may not even land another job on any other LE field or agency.

So lets give the guy some slack and let him move forward.

Peace!
 
Agreed - I have read plenty of posts about members and their NDs. He just made a mental slip-up and it happened to be caught on film. If my worst moments were out there on the internet, I am sure I would look like a fool.

While originally, it served as a modest object lesson, now we are just laughing at someone's misfortune.
 
however, the agent did one thing right (more or less) the muzzle was pointing downward, presumably a safe direction.
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Note to anyone who thinks that pointing a gun at one's own body parts constitute pointing it in a safe direction:

I do not want you near me or my family.

I do not want you to own guns.

Especially if anyone I care about might ever encounter you.

I certainly do not want you claiming that you are the only person in the room professional enough to carry a Glock, .40 caliber or otherwise.

Here are the Four Universal Rules of Firearms Safety:

1) All guns are always loaded. Treat them as such.
2) Never point the firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target.
4) Be sure of your target (and of the backstop behind it).

Out of the four safety rules, the idiot DEA agent broke all four. He didn't make just one tiny little mistake -- he made a series of four large mistakes, and did so while in the very process of telling other people how to be safe around firearms!

If ever there were an occasion to remember what the safety rules are or why such rules matter, it would be while lecturing about firearms safety.

But there are still people in the world who think that one's own body is a "safe direction" in which to point a firearm. For such folks, perhaps it makes sense to blame the gun, the school, the DEA, and the phases of the moon for this agent's stupidity. It was the fault of the Glock, it was the fault of the people who laughed at him, it was the fault of his bosses, his co-workers, and whoever put that video on the web. That's what such folks believe.

But the rest of us will continue to see the DEA agent video for what it is: a very funny, yet chilling (and therefore memorable) example of What Not To Do.

pax

This taught me a lesson, but I'm not quite sure what it is. -- John McEnroe
 
Bill,

What happened with that agent is not an acceident but an act of negligence, which we in the shooting world call a negligent discharge. This agent was violating several of the most important rules of gun safety, which aren't that complicated. In fact, I would like every person here to know.
1. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you are ready to discharge the firearm.
3. Never point your firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Also, I would like to add the following two:
4. Don't handle a firearm that you are not trained or given permission to handle
5. Don't handle a firearm when you can not pay full attention to handling it in a safe manner or when you are intoxicate or impaired.

Regards,
Mp510's Name
Connecticut
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