DEA agent shoot self in gun safety class!

[gunsmith]

FeDdc

I had a nd into my boombox once,it went through the radio and through the wall and bounced off a bookcase (9mm fed hydrashok)
I had the safety on but it failed.
the radio still works!

So I guess your're right non LE have brain farts as well
the difference was I knew the gun was loaded so I only had to fix a wall
and got rid of the gun (don't worry guys I told the new owner that the gun is screwy,also the barrel was cracked I found out)

Still,I allways look to make sure the chamber is empty when I unload.
I wonder what happened?

 

[hansolo]

Sgt. Homer Simpson..."Ouch!"

This has "Reno 911" written all over it.

P.S. I'm sorry the "weapons expert" shot himself.

 

[RED-DOG 40]

...S#%t happens, to bad the little ones had to witness this. I also feel for the officer, cause it's not a good impression on the kids to see an authority figure make a really big "BOO-BOO....

..... ....

 

[Zach S]

I love the way the article says "the weapon fired one shot into the top of his thigh," instead of saying "someone had a brainfart and shot himself." Once again, its the gun's fault.

 

[Diggler]

Yep, bc LEOs are the only ones that ever have ADs... No NOn-LEO has ever put a hole in his wall/reloading bench/dashbord etc...

Yeah, but we don't have legislators and sheeple running around saying "Only Non-LEOs should have guns... there's no need for LEOs to have them..."

 

[jimpeel]

Witnesses told police that the agent kept his gun pointed toward the floor and when he released the slide, the weapon fired one shot into the top of his thigh.

Sounds to me like he had it pointed at his thigh. If it was pointed at the floor, why didn't the floor get shot?

If he truly dropped the magazine and then racked the slide Where did the expended round go that should have fallen on the floor and he should have picked up? When I rack the slide I'd better damn well see a round hit the floor!

I believe he did the usual "rack slide, drop mag, gun fires" mistake.

This also bears witness to the old adage "If you want something done right, do it yourself." Disinterested third parties, especially in a life threatening situation, should never be trusted.

 

[jdseven1]

Rockrivr1. If he had one of the weapons they only sell is the state of mass. He would have been ok. Oh I forgot law enforcement is excempt. Lucky no kids were hurt.

 

[Quartus]

Yep, bc LEOs are the only ones that ever have ADs... No NOn-LEO has ever put a hole in his wall/reloading bench/dashbord etc...

Offsides, FedDC. Nobody here is saying that only LEOs have NDs. People are reacting to the oft repeated mantra of the antis that "only cops should have guns, because only THEY have the billllliuons of hours of training that are needed to handle guns safely!!!"


The comments are NOT saying, "Only LEOs have NDs! Nyaaahh!"

They are saying, "LEOs have NDs TOO! Nyaaaah!"


And the "Nyaaaah!" is directed at the antis, NOT at LEOs.


Okay?

 

[Standing Wolf]

[SARCASM] Only law enforcement officers are qualified to handle firearms. [/SARCASM]

 

[jimpeel]

FedDC

The difference is that when we screw up, we try to impart the knowledge of what we learned from the experience -- like ATTICUS did on THR.

Read his thread entitled I accidently shot myself last night. Note the responses he got from the THR assemblage and the discussion on our own ND experiences.

 

[JohnKSa]

manwithoutahome nailed it.

I emailed Pam Johnson (the article's author--her email address was on the copy of the article I saw on the web), told her politely that the story was implausible and explained why.

Here's an excerpt from her very prompt and cordial reply.

He had put the magazine back in when the shot was fired.

Simple brain failure. After dropping the mag and having an audience member check the chamber, he reinserted the mag, dropped the slide and probably "dryfired" into his leg.

Ms. Johnson evidently doesn't understand the workings of semi-auto pistols and I guess she didn't realize that the bit about him putting the mag back in the gun was a critical piece of information.

 

[Quartus]

I guess she didn't realize that the bit about him putting the mag back in the gun was a critical piece of information.

Sounds like the agent didn't realise that putting the mag back in the gun was a critical piece of information!

 

[strambo]

Sounds like the agent didn't realise that putting the mag back in the gun was a critical piece of information!

That also means the gun probably didn't slam-fire either...I aggree with JohnKSa, he probably "dry fired" it using his leg as a backstop.

 

[Diggler]

...he probably "dry fired" it using his leg as a backstop.

Now, you know that didn't happen. They clearly stated that he kept the gun pointed at the FLOOR, and it hit his thigh.

Obviously, it's one of those magical bullets. You know, like Oswald used in the Kennedy assassination.

 

[jimpeel]

I guess she didn't realize that the bit about him putting the mag back in the gun was a critical piece of information.

The first thing I teach when I am instructing someon in the shooting of a semi-auto is "There is an order to the Universe as concerns semi-autos and the violation of that order can, and will, kill you or someone near you. If you are lucky in being unlucky you will merely destroy a piece of property."

 

[griz]

OK, he put the mag back in, so no invisible ammo was involved. He still pulled the trigger with the gun pointing at his own leg! I'm glad none of the kids got shot in this safety class.

 

[Smoke]

DEA is supposed to tell kids that dope is bad.
ATF is supposed to tell kids that guns are bad.

Wouldn't the irony have been wonderful had this been an ATF agent pulling this bit of stupidity?

Smoke

 

[threeseven]

These threads would be better without the obligatory 2/3/4/5 posts along the lines of 'I GUESS THAT'S WHY ONLY LEO'S SHOULD HAVE GUNS AM I RIGHT GUYS HEY'.

I mean, yeah, we get it. It was a retarded accident. It's good that a kid didn't get shot. But these threads get so REPETITIVE once the stock responses start rolling out.

 

[pax]

OK, he racked the slide but the bullet in the chamber didn't eject... mechanical failure.

Nope, failure of safety technique.

The proper way to unload a gun is:

1) rack, rack, rack

2) lock it open

3) check both the magazine well and the chamber by sight and feel

4) point the gun in a safe direction to dry fire

If he just yanked it open once and locked it back assuming the round had ejected, then didn't look at the chamber for himself, then didn't feel the chamber for himself, then pointed it at himself -- it ain't mechanical failure.

Rack, rack, rack every time...

pax

 

[4v50 Gary]

There was a time when folks were taught to visually and manually inspect their firearms.

If the report is accurate, the extractor must have failed and the person who "checked" the gun didn't know what he was looking at. Still, the finger must have been on the trigger. Certainly not a comedy of errors but not the type of "show & tell" to make to the public.

 

[jimpeel]

My only AD happened thusly:

I was cleaning an H&R 929 .22 revolver. I had just finished and here's where I started -- note started -- screwing up.

I always kept a trigger lock on it that I would unlock when I went to bed and locked again when I arose. I would leave the lock attached to the key so I wouldn't forget as an extra half-pound is hard to miss when you pick up your keys.

I always did the "load and load" because that was the order of the universe. The block fit behind the trigger so there was not a chance in Hell that there would be an AD. Until tonight.

Error one -- the chain begins: I loaded before I locked that night.

Error two: I closed the cylinder.

Error three: I didn't put the trigger lock on right away.

Error four: I remembered that I had forgotten to oil the hammer pivot.

Error five: I pulled the hammer back.

Error six -- and the catalyst whereby all of the other errors merged: I held back the trigger.

Error seven -- the culmination of the chain of errors: I dropped the hammer.

The round entered the carpet about two feet in front of me, slid along the hardwood floor underneath for 18 inches, exited the carpet and embedded itself in the console stereo -- that belonged to my mother-in-law.

Haven't had one since and I will never believe that I won't have another. All it takes is that one moment of inattention or, as in my case, violating the order of the universe.

 

[BluesBear]

He had put the magazine back in when the shot was fired.

Quit looking for a problem with the gun. It was the stupidity of the operator that caused this.

The pistol was designed so that when the slide is locked to the rear and a loaded magazine is inserted, that when the slide is release to go into battery, that the chamber will be loaded ready to fire with a simple pull of the trigger.

The gun performed exactly as it was designed to do.

 

[jimpeel]

BluesBear

BINGO!

 

[gunsmith]

jimpeel,thanks!

I believe he did the usual "rack slide, drop mag, gun fires" mistake.

I didn't know what that was called

I allmost did that one day after a long day at the range and work.
I was cleaning my glock,racked droped mag and was about to sqeeze trigger when all my internet reading clicked into gear and said "wife will kill me if I shoot wall" I looked and low and be hold,the durn glock was loaded!