DEA agent shoot self in gun safety class!

Status
Not open for further replies.

srschick

Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2003
Messages
130
here's the link

DEA investigates after agent shoots himself in safety class for kids

By Pamela J. Johnson | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted April 30, 2004

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration is investigating an incident in which one of its agents giving a presentation to Orlando-area children on gun safety shot himself in the thigh.

Orlando police investigators have ruled the April 9 shooting at The Callahan Center, 101 N. Parramore Ave., accidental, police Lt. Curley Bowman said Thursday night.

But DEA special agent Joe Kilmer said Thursday night that an internal investigation led by officials at the agency's headquarters in Washington was still ongoing. Kilmer would not release the name of the agent involved. After the agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center for a gunshot wound to his left thigh, he returned to work, Kilmer said.

Vivian Farmer, 52, was in a classroom at The Callahan Center with her 13-year-old nephew when the agent began his presentation about 7 p.m. Roughly 50 adults and children were present, and it was "standing room only," Farmer said Thursday night.

The presentation was part of a class called "The Game of Life, The Game of Golf," according to a police report. It was held by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, which aims to introduce minority children to the sport. The agent was speaking to the youths about making good life choices and included a presentation on gun safety, according to the report.

During the speech, the agent drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, the report said. He then pulled back the slide and asked a man in the audience to look inside the weapon to make sure it was not loaded, the report said.

"The person nodded that it didn't have ammunition," Farmer recounted. "The gun was never pointed at anyone."

Witnesses told police that the agent kept his gun pointed toward the floor and when he released the slide, the weapon fired one shot into the top of his thigh.

"The kids screamed and started to cry," Farmer recounted. "My first thought was that it was part of his presentation. I thought it was a blank and he was trying to make a point about how easy it is to fire, to get the kids' attention. But then I looked at the agent's face and he looked surprised. Then there was a quick grimace on his face of sudden pain.

"I thought, 'This isn't a joke. This is real.' "

Farmer said most people rushed out while an ambulance and police were arriving.

"Everyone was pretty shaken up," Farmer said. "But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."
 
I can't decided if it was good for those kids to see this guy shoot himself or if it was a bad thing. I bet most of the kids will never play with a gun they find in a dresser drawer, but I hate to see them so scared of guns they avoid them as adults as well. I wonder what happened that he shot himself??

I am thinking I should fax the Miami DEA offcie a copy of the 4 rules. I wonder if that would get my house raided?? They might try to bust me for some Allegra, but that is about all they will find.
 
He then pulled back the slide and asked a man in the audience to look inside the weapon to make sure it was not loaded, the report said.

"The person nodded that it didn't have ammunition," Farmer recounted.
I'm betting
  • That the agent didn't check the chamber at all.
  • The man from the audience didn't know anything about firearms, but acted as if he did.
 
Darn invisible ammunition!

That is why you always make sure you check the chamber YOURSELF. Trusting a man on the street to know what an empty chamber looks like is foolish.

At least he was a highly trained professional. I mean, think of what could have happened if it was an average citizen with a gun! If they're that dangerous to an expert, then ordinary guys like us could NEVER handle them safely...

:rolleyes:
 
"But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."

Yeah, that's the point of a gun safety class. Make people want to have nothing to do with guns.
 
OK, he racked the slide but the bullet in the chamber didn't eject... mechanical failure.
:(

Not checking himself that the chamber was really empty... negligence. :mad:

He thought the chamber was empty. Wrong. He should have made sure it was empty, not just think it was empty. Can't emphasize this enough.
 
That is may be morbid but, That is both sad and funny at the same time .He is lucky he wasn't packing those cop killer bullets or a .50 Deagle .I wonder if he will be charged with trying to kill a cop , or if the guy in the audiance will be in trouble at all?
Those kids are probably all goin to grow up anti . Except for the ones that grow up to be criminals than they will look back on it and laugh.Why does this guy have a gun?
 
Yep, bc LEOs are the only ones that ever have ADs... No NOn-LEO has ever put a hole in his wall/reloading bench/dashbord etc...
 
Here's what I don't get. I'm thinking that anyone who carries regularly knows whether there's a round chambered or not in their gun. Am I incorrect in this assumption? You'd think he'd realize when he pulled the slide back that the round didn't eject.

Hummmmm, pulled slide back and there wasn't the tell tale sound of a round hitting the floor. Maybe the round landed in my pants cuff, muffling the sound. Yep, the chamber MUST be empty.

Not a chance in the world those parents will let thier kids participate in any shooting events that may come up in their area. Even if they'd want to.
 
Unless the gun was REALLY malfunctioning badly, he must of also pulled the trigger!:scrutiny:
 
"Everyone was pretty shaken up," Farmer said. "But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."

Probably he won't. Another anti created because of course "only the police should have guns"... right? riiiiiiiiiight!

I agree with the lady's comment on her nephew that he probably won't have anything to do with guns ever. Seeing a living thing get shot could (depending on the situation) be pretty traumatic for a child.

I once took a class about how to teach firearm safety and use to kids. It was in my younger days and was taught by a retired cop. One of the things this guy told us was that after the child learned the safety rules and had shot 40 or 50 rounds he or she would still not truly understand the power that they were wielding.

The instructor in all seriousness told us to buy a rabbit, let the child hold it, snuggle with it and get to know it and then with the child watching take a gun and shoot it. His point was that a child needed to know how deadly firearms were and that that was the best way to show it.

Most of the class called him on that recommendation but he absolutely would not back off of it.

I've taught a number of children ages 10 and up to shoot and I never have and never will run that maroon's exercise. There's plenty of ways to show a child how powerful and deadly a firearm is without actually subjecting them to the killing of some animal to make a point. (I usually use a can of stewed totatoes set up in front of a white plywood panel - with a HP bullet it gets the point across pretty well - watermelons work good too).

NOTE to HUNTERS: Hunting is a bit different even for 10 year olds. When a 10 year old plugs a rabbit or squirrel with a .22 he hasn't held it, petted it or established any kind of bond with it and it's killed from a distance not from a few feet away as suggested by the instructor of the class I took. It's a target that Dad says shoot and then (in my case at least) it gets eaten.
 
When I was 9 my parents bought me a Crossman 760 BB gun. I was allowed to hunt, but there were certain animals I couldn't shoot. Especially up by the house. They were off limits. I wasn't allowed to waste anything either. Birds were fed to the cat, and other rodents were fed to the dog. I still remember when I shot out the window of an old falling over barn that belonged to my neighbor. When Dad found out he gave me stiff lecture and told me to walk back to the neighbors and apalogize. Not only did have to apalogize I had to mow the neighbors grass for free 3 times, and I lost my gun for 3 weeks. In the middle of summer three weeks without you bb gun can be traumatic.

What I am getting at here is at an early age I learned the power of even a BB gun. When I was 12 the first gun I used for hunting was a Marlin 336 in .44 Mag my eyes were like this :what: when I first saw the cartridges for that gun. I think a BB gun is a good learning tool for kids. They are bound to shoot something they are not supposed to then you can disipline them and talk to them of the dangers of shooting stuff your not supposed to.
 
Hey, didn't we have a thread on THR in which someone was arguing that checking a weapon's chamber with your finger was silly? "I've been around guns all my life, I can just look.":uhoh: :rolleyes:

Lesson learned: Don't be too cool to use your finger!!!

Another lesson learned: don't be around cops with guns!:eek:
 
I've been thinking about this:

1. He either replaced the mag (out of habit?) and had his finger on the trigger when he dropped the slide.

2. His extractor was broken and didn't extract the cartiage so it was still there and the person he asked if it was loaded or not didn't know anything about guns.

2a: either finger on trigger
2b: If the extractor was broken, who knows what else was wrong with the gun.

Stupid either way it turns out. He should have checked himself and then asked the person if it was cleared. Also, instead of using a real gun, they need to invest in either an Air-Soft or a Dummy.

M.
 
too bad we'll never hear why he had an ND. I mean the odds of the extractor and sear both broken contributing to the mechanical failure dischage seem so unlikely. I'd imagine he locked the slide back showed empty, put the magazine back in, released the slide, and then 'dry fired' into his leg. But thats just me.

atek3
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top