DEA Agent on Oreilly Factor

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That guy gets no sympathy from me. I've been shooting and have been around guns almost my whole life and have never had an ND, and I am not a career law enforcement officer.

This guy was supposedly a trained professional. He should have checked those weapons himself, especially if he was to use them for a demonstration around a bunch of children.

To have an ND at home in your garage is one thing, but an ND in a room full of children is something else.

Nope, he got what he deserved. Hopefully he will never work in the LE field again

As far as Oreilly goes, he was for the AWB ban and wanted to see it renewed.
 
Yeah, his lecture was pretty bad. The shooting takes away from what he was saying.


His lecture was more damaging than his negligent discharge.
 
That guy gets no sympathy from me. I've been shooting and have been around guns almost my whole life and have never had an ND, and I am not a career law enforcement officer.
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There are two kinds of gunowners, those who have had an ND and those who haven't had one YET.

That having been said, the DEA agent was grossly negligent. What I do at home is VASTLY different from what I would even CONSIDER in a classroom full of children. SOMEHOW he DIDN'T maim or kill any children through his arrogance and foolishness. Instead of making an ass of himself in court, he should be grateful for his incredible luck, go home and shut the hell up.
 
There are two kinds of gunowners, those who have had an ND and those who haven't had one YET.

Sounds like a sound bite from the Brady Bunch.
So are you saying that all gun owners will have an ND at least once in their lifetime? I would like to see your evidence to back that up.
 
Not forgiving the moron, I think what sets most people of is his chest pounding self proclaimed expertise. Will all gunowners have a ND in there life time? I hope not but the law of averages are against you the more times you do something your odds are better that it may happen to you. Dont get over confident in your own skills( remind you of anyone) and always keep it in the back of your head that this can happen to you at any time. This is the reasoning behind the 4 fundamentals of safe gun handling.
 
So here is my question. If I "unload" my weapon at home like this guy did, leaving a round in the chamber, and my 8 year old shoots his friend with it, will O'Reilly come to my defense and say it was just an accident? Or will he, and anyone else who defends this idiot, tell me that I am responsible? This guy was trying to be cool and he got sloppy. You can clearly see that he ejects the magazine but does not clear the chamber. And, if I remember correctly, he was holstering his weapon when he shot himself. There was no stripping or cleaning involved. Who pulls the trigger when holstering, even if the gun is "empty"?
 
of course it is not illegal for law enforcement to have a firearm in a school.
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Actually, it may be. The way my state's law is written, LEOs can carry in schools only in connection with their official duties. Mr. DEA was not on duty and he was there without the knowledge of his agency, therefore he clearly was not performing a function related to his duties.

In my state, at least, he would have been illegal.
 
I'm convinced Bill O RLY is a man without filters. He says whatever pops into his head, starts riffing, and when shown to be wrong lacks the humility to admit his mistakes.
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And guess what -- whose show are we all talking about today? Bill is a contrarian. he will take whatever position will create controversy.
 
Expert

Since this topic is being discussed on several fronts here at THR, I thopugh a cut/paste of my response on another thread might be appropriate.
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Okay...We've got a veteran DEA agent...whose issue sidearm is the Glock...
and he was gonna disassemble the gun AFTER he chambered a round...knowing full well that the Glock's trigger has to be pulled to drop the striker before it can be disassembled...also knowing full well that the clearance drill for an autopistol is to remove the magazine FIRST and then clear the chamber, and at least LOOK into the chamber, if not DEA policy to lock the slide to the rear and feel inside the chamber to insure that the gun is clear...BEFORE the slide can be returned to battery and the trigger safely pulled for weapon disassambly.

He flat lied. I saw the video. He wasn't gonna take it apart. He was reholstering the pistol and it fired because he had his finger on the trigger.
Probably the number one cause of negligent discharge with the Glock.
(The trigger makes it go bang, genius.)

He not only knew these things..or at least had been trained to perform the clearance drill...but he did his demonstration for a group of kids with a loaded gun instead of clearing it before he entered the classroom...and now he's gonna sue because somebody caught him on film bein' a world-class dumbass
and had the unmitigated gall to let the public SEE that he was a world-class dumbass.

Let's have a show of hands from our LEOs. Would any of you guys have done that demonstration with a loaded gun? Nah. I didn't think so.

This macho moron was goin' for the OOH/AHH effect from a buncha kids with his real gun. Well...He got it. :rolleyes:

Combatant stated:

>What saddens me on how some people smile on the misfortunes of others. The truth is the agent's carreer is now thrown to chicken manure. Obviously, he's lost the confidence and respect of his peers and may not even land another job on any other LE field or agency.

So lets give the guy some slack and let him move forward.<
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So far, the responses haven't been smiling on his misfortune. Let's remember that he brought his own misfortune on himself with his grandstand play. If he "forgets" correct firearms handling protocol
in front of a bunch of kids...what's he gonna do when the situation is charged with adrenalin? In my way of thinking, he should have been
completely focused on the fact that he was handling a loaded pistol
in a classroom full of young children, and proceeded with an extra measure of caution.

Slack? Not from me, Kemosabe...
 
Sounds like a sound bite from the Brady Bunch.
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Sounds like personal experience to me.

But hey, you could be as "highly qualified" as the DEA agent. You could be as lucky as the DEA agent and not shoot a bystander. You could even be as lucky as me, and not shoot anybody at all.

An ND teaches you not to trust to luck.
 
Subject: DEA Agent 'Accident'

Bill,

An accident that occurs through gross negligence is no accident. As an avid
handgun shooter I can assure you... a loaded handgun is supposed to go boom when you pull the trigger!

:banghead:
 
Accidents are things that occur due to causes other than negligence. There are such things as accidental discharges, but they are few and far between.
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+1000

Unfortunately in our modern someone or something else is always to blame society very few people would agree.
 
Accidents

The quote:

>There are two kinds of gunowners, those who have had an ND and those who haven't had one YET.<
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While there is a lot of truth to this statement...since there are few of us who have never had a gun go bang when we were expecting a click...whether it be from being "sure" that we'd fired the last round in the magazine/clip/cylinder all the way to the oldest excuse in the book:
"I didn't know the gun was loaded"...The one common denominator in the
"Accidental Discharge" is that...with rare exception...SOME-body pulled the trigger. This is why we strive to keep Rule 2 foremost in mind:
(Parapharsed) If you pull the trigger, you must be prepared for the gun to fire, both legally and morally...because the buck stops right --->THERE!

The idiot not only unholstered a loaded gun in a confined space with about 30 kids...He pulled the damned trigger! This comes as close to the layman's definition of "Stupid" as I've seen lately.
 
I emailed Bill, here is what I said

Bill,

The reason so many civilian gun owners poke fun at Lee Paige negligently discharging his firearm while allegedly demonstrating how it was disassembled is that this is clearly a dishonest assertion. The magazine and ammunition are always removed from any firearm when it is being disassembled.

Paige's attitude reflects the arrogance so many in law enforcement possess when it comes to their being more competent at handling firearms than honest, law abiding, private citizens.

Arrogant government officers are not what Americans expect their tax dollars to support.
 
I've had a negligent discharge. I was lucky enough not to have shot myself or anyone else, and I don't blame anyone for ridiculing me for allowing it to happen. I haven't had the training that the DEA guy likely had available, nor the ability to carry for as long as he probably has (or had, given his situation). If anyone should be taking responsibility for his own actions and trying to grow from it rather than blame others for his mistake, it should be Lee Glock Fo-tay Paige.

It could be worse. He could be remembered as Lee Smith & Wesson Three Five Seven Paige.

jmm
 
I haven't got much to add to the controversey. I think the man in question is a twit of the highest caliber and a sterling example of a good portion of what's wrong with law enforcement on a lot of levels in this country.

Here's my piece:

I'm in the group of people who's had an ND. I shot myself, yes. Luckily, I shot myself with a CO2 air pistol when I was young and stupid (okay, stupider than I am now) and hit myself in the finger.

It learned me real good. And it didn't even do any lasting damage (believe it or not, the scar actually went away a couple of years ago). Maybe for some people it just takes that sort of experience to straighten 'em out.
 
I could just imagine that as he was saying "I'm the only one here professional enough to..." that six or seven of the kids in the room were thinking "I wonder if he realizes that thing is still loaded?"
 
Why didn't B.O. have a REAL gun expert on the show along with that idiot DEA guy? (sort of a point, counterpoint deal) He off times runs those sort of interviews.
The guy would have made hamburger out of the "agent", his gun handling, and his attitude (modified gangsta..). I don't know what the Feds have or will do to this guy but if it were up to me, he would have gotten his LAST paycheck..
 
Did anyone see that DEA agent on O'Reilly last night?

He had the AD with the Glock .40, shot himself in the leg. They showed the tape, he's in a classroom full of kids giving a gun safety talk. He's tellin' 'em "don't handle a Glock unless you are a trained professional. I'm a trained professional, but I wouldn't let anyone else ..." He's clearing the weapon....BOOM...ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, but it was funny. I'm sure he don't think so. What did he do, you ask? He had cleared a round in the gun before entering the class, but left the loaded mag in place. He didn't remove the mag before he racked the slide to clear it. He didn't lock it open and look in the chamber for visual verification. He just racks the slide. Now, number two stupid screw up, he doesn't point the weapon in a safe direction to pull the trigger and verify it's empty. It's pointed at his thigh!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Trained professional????????? Holy horseshoes, but I'm just a dumb redneck with a few NRA courses under my belt. True, I certified to be an instructor, but I knew more about handling that brass chunker when I was a 10 year old that that idiot did being a "trained professional". My grandpa and uncle (a certified NRA safety instructor) taught me better at an early age. You ALWAYS VISUALLY VERIFY and you ALWAYS be muzzle aware. Never point that thing at what you don't want to shoot even IF you're not pulling the trigger. If I'd ever "swept" my uncle or grandpa with the muzzle of a gun, I wouldn't have been able to sit down for a week!

I found that little piece and that fellow totally amazing. I think it's a case of a guy who'd never handled a gun until he entered law enforcement, wasn't raised with 'em, doesn't live with 'em, just pays lip service to safety because he doesn't handle his weapon enough to know. Just my personal opinion, but the only way I can figure someone in DEA could be that stupid.
 
I havent even seen it, but read all about it on another thread. From what I hear it was not an AD it was a ND, unless you ask Oreilly:neener:
 
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