Debate over "birthright citizenship"

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Yep, shecky, we can't do anything about the flood of illegals without endangering the ability of the masses to buy more cheap toys. So let's all just relax and enjoy things until we no longer have jobs and then the benevolent government will take care of us at least well enough to ensure that we vote the correct way.

The continuing flood of illegal aliens is a self-fulfilling prophecy for those who are already convinced that nothing can (or should) be done to stop it. I don't share that belief.
 
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shecky said:
Any government action to truly eliminate illegal immigration would be a HUGE growth of government of the intrusive kind (how else do we ensure all employed persons are who they say they are), a corresponding huge tax burden (to pay for all those new government workers and border fence patrol), and higher costs for nearly everything, as the low wage labor pool is eliminated and replaced by all above-the-board labor, which we may need to import from Mexico anyway (remember the US low unemployment rate?), only this time at government regulated wages, with corresponding government regulations imposed on employers (tax records, workers comp, etc.).
You mean the rest of us who have been paying taxes and part of our
medical benefits while barely getting by in some cases have been
doing this all wrong ? Why should those who come here to the U.S
not pay their fair share ? I'm not buying any defense for illegal
immigration. It's wrong and it has to be faced head on now, or
just like quicksand this Nation will sink like a rock.

Or maybe it's going to take another one of these to happen before
the issue of illegal immigration must be faced..Heck one would
think the death of over 4,000 might do it. Not counting the loss
of our service members overseas.

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I am getting too emotional on this subject. It should be done with
cool thought out logical ideas. But something has to be done and soon.
 
While the Democratic Party paints itself into a corner as the party of appeasement and denial on the war abroad, the GOP is dismembering itself as the party of appeasement and denial on the war at home. A pox on both their houses.

MEXICO
Fox hires lobbyist for U.S.
The Texan who advised President Vicente Fox's election campaign will now try to sweeten U.S. views on immigration.
BY SAM ENRIQUEZ
Los Angeles Times Service

MEXICO CITY -- President Vicente Fox has rehired the Texas public relations man and GOP political consultant who quietly helped engineer his election victory in 2000. This time, Fox wants Rob Allyn & Co. to put the brakes on growing anti-immigration, anti-Mexican sentiment in the United States.

Last week, the U.S. House approved a bill to add 700 miles of border fencing and make illegal immigration a felony. Fox denounced the measure as shameful. His foreign minister called it stupid and underhanded.

''The contributions of Mexicans in the United States, who are making their best effort, generating lots of wealth, are not known,'' said Rodrigo Iván Cortés Jiménez, an elected deputy in Mexico's lower house and a member of its commission on foreign affairs.

The immigration bill, expected to reach the Senate in February, has no provision for allowing temporary Mexican workers -- a further slap, in Fox's view. He and President Bush agree on the need for a ''guest worker'' program.

Fox cannot seek reelection next year, and his legacy may rest in part on his pledges to secure an agreement with the United States to grant legal status to the millions of Mexicans living and working illegally north of the border.

So the Mexican leader last week turned to the political operative who helped him topple Mexico's longtime ruling party to win the presidency.

Rob Allyn helped George W. Bush defeat Ann Richards for the governorship of Texas in 1994. Three years later, Allyn saw another potential winner in Fox, then governor of Guanajuato state. He agreed to join Fox's presidential campaign, but only in secret.

For three years, Allyn worked clandestinely, helping craft Fox's message of change, as well as his TV commercials, his polling and his wardrobe. Allyn made dozens of trips to Mexico, traveling under one of three pseudonyms.

Fox, of the National Action Party, came from behind to defeat Francisco Labastida of the Institutional Revolutionary Party, which had ruled Mexico for seven decades. During Mexico's official campaign season in the first six months of 2000, Allyn worked with Penn, Schoen & Berland, a polling and political consulting firm. They operated Democracy Watch, a nonpartisan group hired by Mexicans to conduct national exit polls as a hedge against election fraud.

After the July election, Allyn told the Dallas Morning News he hid his work for Fox because he didn't want to be a political liability. Mexicans are sensitive to foreign interference, especially involving the United States.

Allyn, who also worked on the Bush presidential campaigns, now faces a bigger challenge with the migration issue.

Demands to stem illegal immigration are growing louder in the United States as Mexican and Central American workers spread across the country.

''Our focus is on public opinion, which influences policy outcomes in Congress,'' said Allyn, 46, who grew up in Huntington Beach, Calif., and moved to Texas when he was in high school. ``There is a huge misperception among the U.S. public about Mexico.''

Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said Allyn's message should be that Mexicans have sunk roots deep in their U.S. neighborhoods and that they contribute more through their work, taxes and families than they take away in public services.
 
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