Design flaw carry dilemma?

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Caracal?

In any case, you have an unsafe firearm that is not even suitable for range use. It should never be loaded again. If it is a flaw with your particular example, it should be returned to the manufacturer for repair.

If "fire upon dropping the slide" is a design flaw with all examples, you should share the make and model with everyone as a public safety service. Withholding information about a potentially deadly flaw in a firearm just to avoid a "flame war" is very selfish and short sighted in my view.

In any case, as I stated before, if your example has even the remotest possibility of firing upon chambering a round, not only should it not be loaded ever again, you shouldn't even consider concealed carry with it. There is no dilemma.
 
I think this is a "what if" question. Everyone that has commented on this thread has pretty much proved their intelligence by stating "no carry/return to sender".
 
I actually spoke to someone at the company that produces the one (of several designs and manufactures that can and will do this, there are a few) today. (Of which is not well known apparently as little was issued about it,) they seemed genuinely concerned and eager to correct the issue as well as ease my apprehensions. (despite what I had read from some fairly professional sources,) They explained the conditions in which this can happen, that older versions were more likely to do this (I have an older one,) and would gladly take it back to fix it. I guess it has to do with either 1: a spring not functioning properly due to a lack of tension from wearing out and or 2: a firing pin becoming stuck from abuse that lead to the hole the firing pin comes through enlarging or being so gummed up it sticks. I was told the newer versions have a firing pin hole that was redesigned so it won't gum closed and is made of better materials so whatever pressure it deals with will almost never enlarge. I was also told however that if it is an issue with the spring that loses tension, it should be replaced immediately and what to look for to determine if the spring needs replacing. Regardless, while I am feeling better about the gun and design itself after knowing some of these things... I intend to take it to the range and test a few conditions and things, replace anything that needs it, and ensure it's safety as anyone should. I guess the moral of this story is one should fully research as much as possible before making a used gun purchase... one doesn't always think to do this. The only reason why I bought it (well ok not the ONLY,) was because years ago I had one (newer version that didn't have these issues,) and regretted getting rid of it.
 
I wish we could start a pool.

I know the Caracal C could fire when dropped, I'm wondering if it ever slam-fired ?
 
I still think you need to identify the make & model.

Just so the rest of use will know what to look for if we ever own one.

You said the company was up-front about it, and even offered to fix it.

So it's no slam on them if you tell us what it is.
That's a good, honest company's response.

It might save someone's life to be aware of what gun can potentially wear out, or get dirty enough to fire when loaded!!!

rc
 
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This is dangerous. DON'T USE, CARRY WITHOUT ADDRESSING.

I never understand these I don't want to say make or model threads especially if a potentially deadly situation exists. not only is it a dis-service to the shooting community somebody could get hurt or dead.

I mean jeez. I have several guns that have known fail points (non dangerous to others) such as a PX4 storm that can absolutely lock up tight with the right debris in the rotating channel.

At any rate get it fixed or torch it. My two cents.
 
just say the manufacturer already, otherwise this is a silly vague discussion, if it goes into a flame war then close the thread, I really don't see this as being helpful to anyone, your just gonna see people guessing manufacturers playing hot and cold
Gene
 
C0untZer0 said:
I wish we could start a pool.

I know the Caracal C could fire when dropped, I'm wondering if it ever slam-fired ?
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technically it was the c and f models that could. also supposedly the new models that no one has gotten yet from the total recall of all caracals, have fixed these issues and the self destructing slide issue too.......:)

i've been waiting years now.......i expect i'll be dead before i ever get my replacement for the first replacement from the total recall.

ok back on topic.....please op state the make and model. thank you
 
My money says he's talking about Gen1 Glocks...if you don't want to send it in for repair of known issues, why did you start this thread?
 
jrmiddleton425 said:
My money says he's talking about Gen1 Glocks...if you don't want to send it in for repair of known issues, why did you start this thread?
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Wrong again. And I learn yet another useful bit of info. Didn't know that almighty glock had firing issues at one point.
 
I finally joined just to comment on this thread after being a guest for a while. That being said it's very childish to play a guessing game with everyone when you have dangerous information that could help someone. Idk why you would protect a corporation that obviously doesn't care about the consumer.
 
If they've corrected the issue, then they do care. He's doing nothing but protecting them from gun bashers. Think glock people hating 1911 people and vise versa. Seriously, Google it. It's not that hard to find gun manufacturer recalls, warnings, and updates.
 
I Googled slamfire for handguns, there are a ton of instances out there. There are threads here on THR for 1911 slam fires, Springfield Armory did a recall on the XD/S in 2013 because 1 customer reported a slam fire, SA wasn't able to duplicate it but they did a recall and made a design change. There is a ton of posts / articles on slam fires.


This is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma :eek:
 
I know Taurus had a recall on some of the PT series to make them drop safe. Springfield recalled some XD pistols for some safety issue as well but I don't recall the details. I remember getting a dealer notice about it and having to contact a customer that had one.
 
Well since the OP's question was answered and he won't say what it is, can't derail a thread that's already back at the station...

What have you got against Glock, trent? Just a hater?
 
It seems obvious that the OP is having some fun by withholding the make of the gun. His question had a logical and obvious answer (don't shoot it, send it in for repair) so what could he possibly gain by even posting the question?

Time to move on. I hope the OP got his chuckle by asking a room full of people "guess what?" If he has common sense he already knew the answer before he started this thread. I guess he's bored on a cold, winter day.
 
By no means. When I was deciding between a glock 17/19 and my 15th 1911, it was like shaking hands with John Wayne or hitler. Now, I have nothing but respect for glock. The reset of a 19 is almost as good as the trigger pull on my kimber warrior soc. Just not a fan of plastic guide rods and sights.
 
If any gun I have fires with though the trigger being pulled, under any circumstances, (assuming it's been properly maintained) I would not carry it, and would likely not own it if the issue couldn't be resolved.
 
To recap this thread:


OP: I know of a deadly safety issue. I will NOT be of any help to you, but I want your help.
 
danez71 said:
To recap this thread:


OP: I know of a deadly safety issue. I will NOT be of any help to you, but I want your help.
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I suggest a (hopefully will be your) second read through on post #1. He's not asking for help. He's asking for your opinion.
 
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