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Detroit woman killed when "hug" discharges firearm

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by tydephan, Jul 9, 2012.

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  1. tydephan

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  2. gym

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    I'm still trying to figure out how a hug would engage the trigger in a shoulder rig?
     
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    Another reason for me not to carry a Glock, think I will just stick with my revolver................
     
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    Truth is stranger than fiction -

    And I agree, it appears that a shoulder holster was at play here and the question is what type of gun was in it..


    Ls
     
  5. 56hawk

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    Didn't see the gun listed in the article, but I would also bet it's a Glock. Another reason I only carry double action guns.
     
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    Shoulder holsters in general are not a good idea IMO.
     
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    Okay...

    1) How does a S&W go off inside a holster?
    2) How does a AD (because in this case, it sounds like it wasn't a ND) from a gun carried IWB send a bullet through the heart and lungs of someone standing behind him?
     
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    Waist holster and she got shot in the heart? Oh...
     
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    Shoulder holsters are perfectly safe when used correctly.

    If this was an IWB discharge, there is a LOT more to the story. When I saw the story on FNC, I knew right away there had to be more to it. We all know that this gun did NOT just shoot itself.
     
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    Thanks for the additional info. I'm shocked that this was IWB. Very strange.
     
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    No story is too strange in Detroit.
    I wonder what the truth is.
     
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    "The weapon, a department-issued, 40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol, was in a holster worn inside the officer’s waistband and was covered by his shirt,"

    Very weird for a gun in a waistband holster to go off and shoot someone in the heart. She must have been dancing low.
     
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    I wouldn't own a striker fired pistol with a 5 lb pull. I feel safer with a 1911 cocked - at least you are aware you have a gun that's hot
     
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    This isn't a case of not knowing whether or not the gun was hot. The woman probably didn't even know he had a gun on him to know wether or not it was hot. Also, a lot of modern striker fired pistols have a striker status indicator and/or loaded chamber indicator.
     
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    That was a pistol in his pants!

    Very tragic, however it happened. My condolences to the deceased and her family.
     
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    It was a S&W M&P, .40 which is standard for Detroit police. Unless he was carrying something else, but I believe I read it was an M&P in another article that had more conclusive language than this one. I can't find the previous article, however.


    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2012/07/godbee_shooting_of_adaisha_mil.html
     
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    There's no way this could happen in a proper holster (shoulder or otherwise) without someone at least partially removing the pistol and pulling the trigger. I suspect someone screwing around and covering up tracks.
     
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    One guess on another forum was that the gun got partially pulled out of the holster through dancing (and possibly through her...erm...embracing around the belt), and when it got pushed back in, the shirt got caught in the trigger guard and it went off. Most IWB holsters do not have retention straps. Still doesn't explain how it hit her in the chest.
     
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    The gun could have been tilted in someway. I keep thinking about that horrible video where a kid grabs a gun carried in a shoulder holster and shoots a relative, but that required someone grabbing it...which is what could have happened and no one wants to say that or honest to goodness the officer didn't see.

    Another reason is either/both height difference and ricochet, there is a reason we don't shoot at certain objects or terrain. A dance floor might have properties that prompt a bullet ricocheting more.
     
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    Even though no weapon type was identified (later ID as a S&W) here come the Glock haters in 3...2...1...Oh, I'm too late already.
     
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    The grieving mother asks: "If you’re at a party, why do you need a weapon with a round in the chamber?”

    That is a good question.
     
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    Lay off the glock nonsense, she obviouslly was playing around with his gun, they aren't going to come out and say it, but guns don't magically flip upside down and go off.
    My guess is she knew it was a gun, and was busting his chops. Maybe dancing with another woman. She kenw that tugging at his gun would get his attention, she just didn't realize that it could go off. That's my best guess. And makes the most sense. Glocks don't go off in shoulder holsters or any other holster made for them.
     
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    This is why I am a big fan of external safeties. I have an old police issue S&W 6904 that I carry and the safety is always engaged when theres one in the pipe. Flipping the safety off as I draw is like second nature and doesn't take any longer to draw. That said it still doesn't make sense how she would get hit in the chest from IWB holster without the gun being outside the holster and angled up.
     
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