Did Ruger buy their way out of being banned?

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And Paul is STILL dead!
It's just an imposter posing as him now. :D
Denis

(OK, you gotta be a certain age for that one...)
Denis
 
He was pretty spry for a dead guy when I saw him play a few years ago!

(Don't have to be that old to get it if you're married to a Beatles fanatic. Took her to see McCartney for her birthday/anniversary present a few years ago. Happiness Is A Warm Gun, after all...)
 
Imposter, I say.
Died in '69.
I remember quite clearly. :)
Denis
 
DPris said:
Imposter, I say.
Died in '69.
I remember quite clearly. :)
Denis
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Well, his imposter could sing just as good as him. I had Wings Over America album. So do him a flavor, and let him (in) know. ;)

BTW, I was only in 1st grade in '69.
 
1) At the time of the AWB or Massachusetts ban, there were not that many semi-auto rifles around that were not direct analogues of select-fire issue weapons.
2) The Mini, the Browning BAR, the Winchester 100, that one Remington autoloader, and an M1 Carbine civilian model (ironic) were essentially all the wood stock/blue steel semi autos on the market still in domestic production
3) No one bothered to stand up for protection of foreign-made models

Result: all available semi-autos were banned except for a half dozen or so American made models, and many of the bans were written to automatically exclude future models (always a red flag in legislation, btw). Some thirty-forty years later, all but two or three of the models are out of production, and those in Massachusetts are faced with very few options due to the AG's newly-invented broad read of the statute (which had obviously been read narrowly so as to allow new models into the state, in order to avoid this exact outcome)

Bill Ruger was just stupidly/short-sightedly trying to deflect increasing focus on his company's wares, which the A-Team was likely not helping. Frankly, it's hard to blame his assumption that the weak and flaccid gun owners of America would continue to accept additional moronic bans & restrictions & unfounded lawsuits against his company, given how consistently they'd been defeated up to that point. Whatever Bill could have "bought" from the anti's as far as protection, they wouldn't have held up their end of the deal because they never do, and it would have paled in comparison to the funds rolling in through the Brady charities to 'ban them all'

TCB
 
The A-Team's impact has been hotly debated & remains controversial.
On the one hand, they clearly demonstrated the extreme reliability of the gun.
On the other, in firing millions of rounds throughout the run of the series, they never once actually hit anybody with one.
Denis
 
I well remember what Bill did, very well. And, I still consider him to have been a self serving turncoat. Y'all can gloss over his folly, all you want, but it is only putting lipstick on a pig. He was more than willing to throw my Rights under the bus to save his company, so I had no compunction about spending my money elsewhere, as long as he was still in a position to gain from it. I did not buy a new Ruger gun, from the time of his misadventure, until July of 2014...just refused to give Ruger my money.
 
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I well remember what Bill did, very well. And, I still consider him to have been a self serving turncoat. Y'all can gloss over his folly, all you want, but it is only putting lipstick on a pig. He was more than willing to throw my Rights under the bus to save his company, so I had no compunction about spending my money elsewhere, as long as he was still in a position to gain from it. I did not buy a new Ruger gun, from the time of his misadventure, until July of 2014...just refused to give Ruger my money.
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I don't think your money was missed, based on the size of the company now, and the wide range of products that they've come up with.
 
shootniron said:
I well remember what Bill did, very well. And, I still consider him to have been a self serving turncoat. Y'all can gloss over his folly, all you want, but it is only putting lipstick on a pig. He was more than willing to throw my Rights under the bus to save his company, so I had no compunction about spending my money elsewhere, as long as he was still in a position to gain from it. I did not buy a new Ruger gun, from the time of his misadventure, until July of 2014...just refused to give Ruger my money.
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....and that in every bit, is your right. I know folks who will not buy anything Anheuser-Busch because they believed they too sold out to the antis. Me, I just don't like the way their beer tastes. Kinda like the Beatles/Paul and Wings. To me their music was always just kinda "meh". I preferred the Stones and Floyd.....and still do. As for Rugers, I own few, bought before and after the so called debacle by Bill. They work just fine.
 
Three points to make on the A-Team reference. (1) The A-Team never intended to hit anybody, (2) The army that was pursuing them used M-16s and they never hit anything either and (3) it was television.....no relation to real life.
 
I resent & reject your statement.
The A-Team represents the most extensively documented field trials of the Mini-14 ever conducted, in the hands of some of the best qualified evaluators available.

The results are clear: The Mini will never jam and it can't hit a live body.
This should be quite apparent & utterly indisputable.
Denis
 
I don't think the OP's theory has exactly been spelled out. He hasn't posted on the forum since.


The A-Team proves that the Mini-14 is an exceptional blank firing gun, and that "clip" is a legitimate synonym for magazine, as used by elite military units.
 
That speaks volumes about the confidence they placed in the safety of the Mini.
Since it can't actually shoot people, it's a very safe rifle.
Denis
 
Well....

I don't know that's it's been solidly verified that the A-Team never intended to hit anybody.

And as for the Army & their 16s, in response to a 2003 GRAMMA request, previously classified documents were released detailing the Top Secret A-Team Engagement Directives in place at the time.

Essentially, the Army was clearly instructed, as part of a clandestine black-op collaboration with the FBI's Organized Crime Unit, to aggressively provide the APPEARANCE of shooting at the A-Team, without injuring its members, to bolster the Team's street cred as an undisclosed (for obvious reasons) element of the US Government's war on crime.

Denis
 
The A Team

A most enjoyable thread (the Paul and the A Team parts).
THR needs a dedicated comedy section!
Last man out....lights off.
 
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