Do I Want A 10mm?

[Big Z]

Get them both, both will serve you well.
A good carpenter needs more than one tool in the box.
It's like blonds or red heads, ect, depends on the mood

 

[saturno_v]

I cannot believe this thread is still going on...for outdoor use and potential wildlife defense, the 10 mm Auto is the clear choice, hands down...no contest, no comparison...nada....

The 2 cartridges are not even in the same power class for crying out loud....proportionally to their power speaking, it's like comparing the 30-30 to the 30-06......

If you can get both get both....for HD use it doesn't matter (actually a full spec 10 mm auto may be excessive for that purpose) but I would not go in the woods with potential hostile bruin presence with a 45 or a 40, that's for sure....

 

[kx250kev]

10mm 1006 just added to the collective.

 

[Mr.510]

What about .45 Super?

What about getting the 45 and doing a Super conversion on it? (In most cases just changing springs.) Full-house 45 Super is hotter than all but a few 10mm offerings and the bullet is bigger diameter. Properly setup .45 Super guns also shoot 45ACP with no changeover. Buffalo Bore has an offering that pushes a 185 gr. JHP 1,300 fps with 694 ft.lbs. of energy for $1.07 a round. It's only 50 fps slower than their hottest 10mm 180 gr. and I have to wonder how much more effective the larger caliber would be? It's certainly nothing to sneeze at, even in the woods!

 

[esq_stu]

For the range, whatever floats your boat.

For PD, it should pass the Wallyworld test.

 

[IdahoLT1]

What about .45 Super?



What about getting the 45 and doing a Super conversion on it? (In most cases just changing springs.) Full-house 45 Super is hotter than all but a few 10mm offerings and the bullet is bigger diameter. Properly setup .45 Super guns also shoot 45ACP with no changeover. Buffalo Bore has an offering that pushes a 185 gr. JHP 1,300 fps with 694 ft.lbs. of energy for $1.07 a round. It's only 50 fps slower than their hottest 10mm 180 gr. and I have to wonder how much more effective the larger caliber would be? It's certainly nothing to sneeze at, even in the woods!

The problem with the .45 Super is that its even more of a enthusiast cartridge than the 10mm. What i mean by that is that there are more 10mm factory offerings, which isnt a good thing. Its a true wildcat cartridge. Brass will be hard to find and its not as versatile as the 10mm, IMO. Plus you will wont gain any carrying capacity. It will still be 7+1 or 8+1 rounds of .45 Super against 15+1 of 10mm.

 

[matai]

Yes, you want a 10mm, the more of a following we have the more chance 10mm ammo will be more widely produced... I know I know, fat chance right?

 

[Dan-O]

Glock 29 for me please.

 

[Mr.510]

The problem with the .45 Super is that its even more of a enthusiast cartridge than the 10mm. What i mean by that is that there are more 10mm factory offerings, which isnt a good thing. Its a true wildcat cartridge. Brass will be hard to find and its not as versatile as the 10mm, IMO. Plus you will wont gain any carrying capacity. It will still be 7+1 or 8+1 rounds of .45 Super against 15+1 of 10mm.

While most of what you say is true, remember that a gun tuned for .45Super is still a .45ACP and will shoot it just like any other. My thought here is to shoot .45ACP almost exclusively and even CCW with it. Just swap in a mag of Super when you head for the boonies. No drama, no barrels or springs to swap, just change ammo and go. Seems pretty darned versatile to me!

On the subject of Super brass, Starline stocks it. If you really want to get into it cheap you can cut down .308 Winchester cases. That's what I'm going to do with all the brass my Saiga has mangled beyond use.

From what I've read most quality 1911s can be "modified" to shoot .45Super for about $30 worth of springs and a couple hours at the range. Many people have tuned their guns for it using the "how far does it chuck the brass?" method. Start with a 26# recoil spring and work your way down until the gun chucks Super brass 10-12 feet and ACP brass about 6 feet and I'm told you're good to go. Stick with 185 grn. projectiles and it certainly won't beat up the gun any more than full house 10mm would.

BTW: I'm in the middle of sorting out a .45Super conversion on my XD45C. I think it's going to be a really nice package for urban/woods carry.

 

[CountGlockula]

If you're in the wood a lot, I'd recommend more firepower and more of it:

Glock 20 with an extended magazine: 20 rounds of 10mm!!!!

 

[IdahoLT1]

While most of what you say is true, remember that a gun tuned for .45Super is still a .45ACP and will shoot it just like any other. My thought here is to shoot .45ACP almost exclusively and even CCW with it. Just swap in a mag of Super when you head for the boonies. No drama, no barrels or springs to swap, just change ammo and go. Seems pretty darned versatile to me!

On the subject of Super brass, Starline stocks it. If you really want to get into it cheap you can cut down .308 Winchester cases. That's what I'm going to do with all the brass my Saiga has mangled beyond use.

From what I've read most quality 1911s can be "modified" to shoot .45Super for about $30 worth of springs and a couple hours at the range. Many people have tuned their guns for it using the "how far does it chuck the brass?" method. Start with a 26# recoil spring and work your way down until the gun chucks Super brass 10-12 feet and ACP brass about 6 feet and I'm told you're good to go. Stick with 185 grn. projectiles and it certainly won't beat up the gun any more than full house 10mm would.

BTW: I'm in the middle of sorting out a .45Super conversion on my XD45C. I think it's going to be a really nice package for urban/woods carry.

Im not gonna entirely call you out because im not well read on .45super conversions, but basically from what i understand is the 45 super is just a lengthened 45acp case, similar to the 10mm and 40S&W. But its advised against shooting a 40S&W in the 10mm because of the case length and pressures associated with it.

I have yet to see any factory 45super loads(not saying they arent out there) but there are a few 10mm factory loads, which helps people aquire brass.

And as far as chucking brass, my EAA match will throw 10mm cases about 30 ft.

 

[Gryffydd]

but basically from what i understand is the 45 super is just a lengthened 45acp case

45 seconds + Google will tell you that the .45 Super and .45 ACP share all exterior dimensions.

 

[DasFriek]

I have a few thoughts here as i just traded off my G20c,and not because it was a 10mm.
I did couse it just didnt fit what i needed.
Anyhow one big reason i could let it go so easily was shooting anything besides full load 10mm ammo is boring and may as well be shooting a .40
In saying that full power 10mm loads arent cheap,$40+ for 50 DoubleTap or $20 for 20 Hornaday,with SilverTips coming in just a tad cheaper.But if i wasnt shooting those the gun bored me,and even that wasnt cheap.$28 for 50 lower powered reloads.
Moral is you better reload or be rich if you want to enjoy the gun at a range.

For me id suggest buying the .45 and buy the cheaper weapon,then invest in a .460 Rowland conversion for $300
Ammo prices are about the same as 10mm,and you can shoot .45 out of it also.
A .460 Rowland has similier ballistics as a 10mm but with a .45 bullet.
Imo that conversion will allow you to shoot cheaper .45acp and then out power a 10mm with the .460 when you want/need the power.

 

[s0nspark]

If you reload or dont mind spending ~$.15 more per round, then go with the 10mm. If not go with the 45.

Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I don't see that much difference between factory 10mm and .45ACP... In fact, it seems demand for .45ACP has driven the price up above 10mm in some cases...

Georgia Arms, for example, has new 10mm (180gr JHP) for slightly less than .45ACP (230gr +P JHP)... BTW, can anyone speak to the consistency with Georgia Arms from batch to batch? I've heard that with DT loads can vary significantly...

It doesnt have the energy that Buffalo bore and Double tap offer for their 10mm. DT and BB will use speer gold dots for some of their loads, but im not sure if they test the expansion.

The "official" results here suggest that DT does test expansion...

 

[Gunfighter123]

HMMURDOCK ---- well , which did you get a 10mm or a .45 ???

If neither , do a search here for EAA Witness Elite Match in 10mm ---- really a Best Buy for a 10mm and it IS A Slin Hi-Cap !!!

 

[sohcgt2]

If you intend to reload go with the 10mm, If not stick w/the .45 and use +p in the woods.

 

[MHBushmaster]

Get both!

SW 4506 and SW 1006!

 

[GunLvrNLearner]

Currently aren't there only maybe 3 makers of 10mm handguns?

Also anyone thought this sometimes LE thinks of a 10 as overkill et there are several police departments that standard issue is a 10 just seems odd

 

[s0nspark]

If you intend to reload go with the 10mm, If not stick w/the .45 and use +p in the woods.

If I +p in the woods, won't someone see me?!

 

[sohcgt2]

You should stand behind a tree, after all you're in the woods.

 

[JoelSteinbach]

Delta Elite

I own a pair of Delta Elites, customized by Clark in LA, years ago, Besides changing barrel bushings, these are my most reliable weapons that I own. To me 10mm is probably the most underated round out there. Many of you hi-line companies still make 1911's in 10mm. The key to ammmo availability is handloading.

 

[MCgunner]

An outdoorsman? Get a magnum revolver. Much more versatile. My fav is the .357 magnum, rabbits and squirrels to hogs and deer and black bear, no problem. My Blackhawk will put 6 into 4" at 100 yards off the bench. More accuracy. Autos shine as fighting guns, but outdoors, revolvers rule.

 

[H2O MAN]

The 10mm has intrigued me for many years, but not enough to compell me to buy one.

.45 ACP is what I own, two G21s and a G36.

 

[mesinge2]

Get a 1911 45, and a 400 CORBON barrel, it was designed as a substitute to the 10mm and you can have both calibers.

http://www.wickedgrips.com/1911-barrel-kits/efk-firedragon-400-corbon-conversion-barrel

 

[Whitman31]

I've got a DW Bobtail in 10mm. I carry it everyday...

You pretty much have to re-load to make it cost effective.

High giggle factor...