Do you carry at home?

[Deltaboy1984]

YES I carry at Home and a Shotgun within reach 98% of the time.

 

[Kynoch]

Lesson from there...make your front door harder/take longer to kick in. Buys you time. You probably don't need much.

Some friends of mine are collectors. They have a "hardened" front door along with an alarm.

The two hallways that lead from the front room are also lockable. If someone was able to break through the front door, it would take them a good 5 minutes to break down one of the secondary doors. Keys are kept hidden in case of an emergency.

 

[Warp]

It's interesting how the woman's neighbors apparently did nothing to help her or aid her escape from the violent felon.

A few months ago a video/media clip was online of a young woman being savagely beaten & stripped nude. The crowd(urban area) surrounded the fight & victim recording the incident on their DV/cell phones.
No one helped or contacted 911.
Even the city's police chief remarked how cruel & inconsiderate it was.

Post over in the legal section of THR about intervening, and you'll get a whole lot of people telling you not to do anything but call 911 and watch.

That's the world/country/culture we live in.

 

[CWL]

In all fairness, this whole scene lasted 2 minutes.

I think that I'd intervene if it was my neighbor (I know almost all of them), but I would go & call 911 first.

I think the real story to pay attention to here is that this BG broke into a house, heard a person upstairs and; instead of running back out the door, went upstairs and on the roof to try & find this person. This is the scary part that everyone with loved ones should pay attention to.

 

[lxd55]

is just having a handgun in every room considered carrying at home.

 

[Warp]

is just having a handgun in every room considered carrying at home.

I say it is

 

[Zaydok Allen]

No. I have loaded, strategically placed handguns throughout my home, within easy reach should my door get kicked in. I have no kids so loaded guns lying about my home isn't a problem.

I consider "carrying" to mean I have a holstered gun on my person. I rarely have a reason to do that. If I owned land I might.

 

[SlayerOfBunnies]

It's interesting how the woman's neighbors apparently did nothing to help her or aid her escape from the violent felon.

A few months ago a video/media clip was online of a young woman being savagely beaten & stripped nude. The crowd(urban area) surrounded the fight & victim recording the incident on their DV/cell phones.
No one helped or contacted 911.
Even the city's police chief remarked how cruel & inconsiderate it was.

Most of my neighbors are armed and are good people. I'd be inclined to help but willing to maybe spend the rest of my life in prison if things go sideways? Hmmm.

 

[huntsman]

No. I have loaded, strategically placed handguns throughout my home, within easy reach should my door get kicked in. I have no kids so loaded guns lying about my home isn't a problem.

What do you do with the guns when you leave the house?

I keep my LCP in my pocket and a P-11 in the bedroom everything else is in the safe, I used to keep a shotgun in the bedroom but it got to be a hassle carrying it down to the safe every time I left the house.

 

[Theohazard]

Post over in the legal section of THR about intervening, and you'll get a whole lot of people telling you not to do anything but call 911 and watch.

That's the world/country/culture we live in.

In the context of the situation that Rusty described, that's an unfair statement. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here advocate not intervening in a case like that. Rather, every time I've seen people advocate not intervening, it's when the case isn't anywhere near as clear-cut as that one, and where intervening may not be the best course of action from a legal (and possibly moral) standpoint.

In most cases it doesn't make sense for a concealed-carrier to intervene in someone else's conflict; you don't know for sure who the aggressor is and you don't know the situation enough to be sure you're doing the right thing. Not to mention the legal and moral ramifications of getting it wrong. But in the situation that you quoted from Rusty in post #78, that's a pretty clear case and I doubt many people would advocate staying out of that one.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Posts, subject....

The subject of intervention/witness events isn't the main topic.
That said I agree with the last post.
There are times when it's better to be a "good witness" than to get directly involved but there are also "egasant circumstances".
If you knew your neighbor & saw they were being chased around their property by a berserk nutcase, there isn't a lot to be confused about.
The smart move would to be a call to 911/law enforcement & to inform them what you look like & that you will be armed.
That will help you later in court if needed & it will let the officers/deputies who respond to know you are on scene.
If police or SWAT get on scene, you need to stop or stand down.
Standing in your yard or on your property using a DV camera or cell phone rather than providing aid to a victim is a cowardly act IMO.

 

[Kleanbore]

Off topic, but posts 85 and 86 are on target.

 

[Warp]

In the context of the situation that Rusty described, that's an unfair statement. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here advocate not intervening in a case like that. Rather, every time I've seen people advocate not intervening, it's when the case isn't anywhere near as clear-cut as that one, and where intervening may not be the best course of action from a legal (and possibly moral) standpoint.

In most cases it doesn't make sense for a concealed-carrier to intervene in someone else's conflict; you don't know for sure who the aggressor is and you don't know the situation enough to be sure you're doing the right thing. Not to mention the legal and moral ramifications of getting it wrong. But in the situation that you quoted from Rusty in post #78, that's a pretty clear case and I doubt many people would advocate staying out of that one.

You are not a police officer.

It is not your job.

It is not your responsibility.

Your carry license/permit is not a badge.

What if that guy is actually an ex or current husband or boyfriend and she wasn't truly in danger and they both turn on you when you act and/or in the legal system.

What if the not very reliable eye witnesses report seeing/hearing differently from what you think happened.

 

[243winxb]

This person has it covered, even in the shower.

 

[gandog56]

I don't carry at home. But there is a nice 10mm surprise sitting next to my bedroom headboard.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Intervention, a good outcome....

In general, Id agree with the member posts of not getting involved in disputes w/o knowing exactly what the conditions are, not all critical incidents occur like that.

I meant to post a recent event in my metro area before(which relates to the recent posts). A CCW license holder observed a older male victim being savagely attacked at a bus stop. The armed citizen pulled over then ran up & assisted the victim. He held the violent robber at gunpoint.
Another "concerned citizen" with EMT training also ran to the scene & gave first aid to the victim(who had stab wounds to the lower torso).
Sheriff office patrol deputies got on scene & arrested the attacker.
The CCW license holder was not charged.
The county sheriff & community officials later gave the 2 men who aided the victim service awards/public recognition.

This event is a good example of how quick thinking & proper responses helped resolve a dispute(without violence).

 

[harrygunner]

Not referring to the OP, just the question in general. Questions like this have an unstated assumption, that people strap on a gun in anticipation of a specific threat or need.

Obviously there are cases where that is true, but general carry is about having the gun if needed. Not about looking for trouble or being paranoid.

I replace "gun" with "watch" (timepiece) if someone asks me this. Then I reduce it to an absurdity with questions like: Do you remove your watch when you get home since there's a clock on the wall or when you're with friends that have a cell phone? Or, do you simply put it on in case you need to know the time, then leave it on all day?

If they are still listening, I say my gun is just like my watch, wallet and pants. I put them on and go about my day, a day very much like theirs.

 

[Warp]

Then I reduce it to an absurdity with questions like: Do you remove your watch when you get home since there's a clock on the wall

Yes.

I typically do that. I can look at the wall or the cable box or the oven or a nightstand or wherever in any room in the house, save for if I'm on the toilet maybe, and see a clock just as quickly as I can look at a wristwatch.

Can you explain why that is absurd for me please?

 

[Nom de Forum]

This person has it covered, even in the shower.

I can't seem to find that shower accessory in my Moen or Delta catalog. Is that from the Koehler catalog?



Sometimes. Often enough than you would not want to bet on me not carrying. I am a big believer in concealed lock boxes that mechanical simplex locks. No batteries to fail and and they can be programed to open to unlock by twice pushing buttons and turning a knob. There are several concealed but immediately accessible around the house. All side doors entering my home are behind a 6’ high fence locked gates. You cannot even touch my front door let alone knock on it. When you exit the front door of my home you enter a roofed enclosure that extends 8’ from the door and is secured with an 8’ wide decorative powder coated steel wall and gate. Because of these features I am comfortable not always carrying in my home. I can always retreat to where there is a gun. I agree with those that warn that anyone can be subject to a home invasion even if the odds are low for many of us. It is one of those events, no matter how low in probability, that the consequences of it occurring are so bad that it is worth taking some time to prepare for it. I have flood insurance even though I don’t live in a flood plain. Many people in metropolitan Maricopa County Arizona who don’t live in flood plains just discovered the hard way that it is wise to have flood insurance. Don’t discover the hard way it is wise to prepare for a home invasion.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Always

 

[Bobson]

Not referring to the OP, just the question in general. Questions like this have an unstated assumption, that people strap on a gun in anticipation of a specific threat or need.

Obviously there are cases where that is true, but general carry is about having the gun if needed. Not about looking for trouble or being paranoid.

I replace "gun" with "watch" (timepiece) if someone asks me this. Then I reduce it to an absurdity with questions like: Do you remove your watch when you get home since there's a clock on the wall or when you're with friends that have a cell phone? Or, do you simply put it on in case you need to know the time, then leave it on all day?

If they are still listening, I say my gun is just like my watch, wallet and pants. I put them on and go about my day, a day very much like theirs.

This is on point, and it's a big reason I seldom carry at home. I spend most of my time at home in nothing but gym shorts. Typically, I don't even put my wedding ring on until I get ready to leave. Gun goes on at the same time.

 

[NewMexicoShooter]

Yep. 357 is on the counter or on the hip.

 

[Browns Fan]

I have a shield .40 on me right now. I carry every it is legal to do so.

 

[Catshooter]

"is just having a handgun in every room considered carrying at home."

Not by me.

Too easy for something to go wrong at just the wrong time.

Did your wife move the gun you suddenly need to _________?

Somebody crashes through your front door and you need a gun, you lunge for the nearest one . . . and you trip over the cat/rug/wife whatever.

Or you're like me and old and moving real fast and sudden just doesn't work out too well anymore.

So I say nope. There is one, simple solution to the whole problem of having guns parked behind all the wife's knickknacks and small children with oh so inquisitive fingers lurking about: carry your piece on you always!

I don't have kids at home anymore but when I did I carried. How else can I protect them? For me I would rather end up taking the bad guy with me or spending the rest of my life in prison than have some horrible fate befall my child because I wasn't properly equipped.

To say nothing of getting beheaded at work!


Cat

 

[MyGreenGuns]

If I'm wearing pants, I'm wearing a gun.

To the right of the computer is: Mouse, 1911, Cell phone

Having early warning is important. I rake my gravel so it crunches when walked on, this always sets off the dogs. I have a steel exterior door (the rubber seal squeaks when opened), no windows on bottom floor. Motion lights everywhere.

It would take a lot to get to me without me knowing. If I know trouble is coming, it wont be a pistol in my hands.