Eleven Mike
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spiroxlii, I guess you might be right. Still, it is worth pointing out the problem with his claim that state laws supersede the wishes of the "company."
Do you CCW in the Gun Shop?
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Linda
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I don't disarm to go to any other store, so why would I feel compelled to disarm myself going in to a gun store? That makes zero sense to me! I've never gone to a department store and thought "wow, I should whip out my gun and wave it around". And the same goes for me at the gun store.
Treo
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QUOTE : " This is one of the things that really pisses me off about the gun commuinty. We are all about rights, "
One of the things that pisses me off about, not neccessarily the gun community but certainly the the THR community is when they DON'T ACTUALLY READ A POST, that essentially agrees W/ their position ( like say for instance a post about how we need to respect the rights of property owners to phrohibit guns on their property) , and proceed to go ballistic on them for posting it.
COULD WE PA-LEEZ ACTUALLY READ THE POST WE ARE REPLYING TO?
One of the things that pisses me off about, not neccessarily the gun community but certainly the the THR community is when they DON'T ACTUALLY READ A POST, that essentially agrees W/ their position ( like say for instance a post about how we need to respect the rights of property owners to phrohibit guns on their property) , and proceed to go ballistic on them for posting it.
COULD WE PA-LEEZ ACTUALLY READ THE POST WE ARE REPLYING TO?
gcrookston
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usually I do. Never have given it much thought.
Double Naught Spy
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We had a gun shop in Denton, Texas that didn't allow concealed carry. It went out of business very quickly.
As for the original question about whether people conceal carry in gun shops, I figure a gun shop is no different than ANY other carry situation.
As for the original question about whether people conceal carry in gun shops, I figure a gun shop is no different than ANY other carry situation.
AirForceShooter
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The 2 shops I go to ask you to unload before entering. But carry is fine. The rule makes sense to me so I abide by it.
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mewachee
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unloading is disarming, makes no sense for them to ask. The bank doesn't ask me to leave my money in the car. The mall doesn't ask me to leave my clothes at the door (good thing). The car dealer doesn't support public transportation only.
Yes, there is a difference here in potential danger, but I would rather think of a gun shop as a tool shop and they don't have signs that say, "Please don't plug your tools in the store.
Yes, there is a difference here in potential danger, but I would rather think of a gun shop as a tool shop and they don't have signs that say, "Please don't plug your tools in the store.
mewachee
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One more thought, I do feel there is a difference between a gun shop and others, not sure why other than for the hypocritical part. With that said, I think if someone decides not to see a disarm sign and they are confronted, maybe they should say something like this: (Potential customer) Oh, I thought is was a joke. (Salesman) No sir, it is not. (Not a potential customer anymore) Okay, you will never have a problem with me, because I will never enter these doors again.
Here is another appropriate sign, "An armed firearm should stay holstered on these premises." There you have it, no ambiguity. I mean what I say and I say clearly what I mean.
Here is another appropriate sign, "An armed firearm should stay holstered on these premises." There you have it, no ambiguity. I mean what I say and I say clearly what I mean.
spiroxlii
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TAB said:
treo said:
TAB, as treo pointed out in his post above, I was not saying we could trample on property rights. If you read my post, I was actually agreeing with your position that property rights trump my right to carry "wherever I want."
I was basically saying that if it's legal to carry in a given location, then in many states (Georgia included) a sign saying "no guns here" doesn't actually make it illegal to carry a weapon there; HOWEVER, the property owner is still within his legal rights to ask you to leave for any reason, even if that reason is that you're in legal possession of a firearm on the property.
If you refuse to leave (at least in Georgia), the crime you're charged with isn't illegal possession of a firearm or anything like that. The charge is criminal trespassing. Basically, your legal right to carry a weapon on that property becomes a moot point, because it becomes illegal for you to even be there at all if the property owner wants you off the property. The fact that it's legal to carry at location "A" is irrelevant if you can't legally be in location "A" due to the owner's wishes.
In that way, property rights do trump the right to carry "wherever we please." I think that's fair and appropriate. If you own a piece of property, you SHOULD be able to decide what you do and don't want happening there.
MICHAEL T
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Always !!
If I can't Then my money goes else where.
If I can't Then my money goes else where.
Gander mtn likes our business.
The new Gander Mountain in Palm Beach Gardens likes our business. They have a posted no loaded firearms policy that specifically exempts CCW license holders. As far as I can tell Gander Mtn. is currently the only firearms dealer/shop in the area that doesn't have a problem with CCW.
I spoke with the manager and made a point to thank him and the owner for recognizing and respecting us and informed him that they would have ALL my future Florida firearms business. I also told him that I was not the only one that felt strongly about this.
He thanked me profusely and said he would be sure to tell the owner.
Gander seems very pro-gun. It is my understanding that Palm Beach Gardens wanted the new store very badly but tried to prohibit firearms sales. Gander threatened to pull the pin on the whole deal and obviously PBG relented.
I've heard all the excuses from all the other dealers; safety, stupid customers, insurance liability, corporate lawyers etc... None of these holds water with me. You either respect your customers and pay attention to them or you lose my business and should lose everyone else's. Maybe sell mattresses and pillows instead.
The new Gander Mountain in Palm Beach Gardens likes our business. They have a posted no loaded firearms policy that specifically exempts CCW license holders. As far as I can tell Gander Mtn. is currently the only firearms dealer/shop in the area that doesn't have a problem with CCW.
I spoke with the manager and made a point to thank him and the owner for recognizing and respecting us and informed him that they would have ALL my future Florida firearms business. I also told him that I was not the only one that felt strongly about this.
He thanked me profusely and said he would be sure to tell the owner.
Gander seems very pro-gun. It is my understanding that Palm Beach Gardens wanted the new store very badly but tried to prohibit firearms sales. Gander threatened to pull the pin on the whole deal and obviously PBG relented.
I've heard all the excuses from all the other dealers; safety, stupid customers, insurance liability, corporate lawyers etc... None of these holds water with me. You either respect your customers and pay attention to them or you lose my business and should lose everyone else's. Maybe sell mattresses and pillows instead.
Triphammer
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Around S. Az, before CCW all the gunstores had a sign "please unload firearms & open cylinder/ slide" or something to that effect. Most if not all of those signs have disappeared. Most shops don't have any sign but one I've seen states " All loaded firearms to remain holstered". Makes sense. If you want your sidearm out while in the store for any reason, unload before entering.
JeepGeeek
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I believe you have managed to draw a conclusion exactly opposite to what the gent was saying...
CSA 357
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There Is A Shop Here In Cullman That Has A (no Loaded Guns Sign) I Dont Shop There Any More, I Have A Permit , I Will Spend My $ Some Where Else! Hes A Real A$$ Hole Too!
mewachee
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Ala Dan
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Yep, I sometimes CCW in our gunshop; but most of the time, I
open carry~!
But then again, I work there; so its permissable~!
open carry~!
But then again, I work there; so its permissable~! Rmart30
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Most here in Alabama say no loaded guns permitted inside..
wristtwister
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Depends on the shop atmosphere...
It kind of depends on which gun shop I'm going to visit. The one close to my house wouldn't care if I came in with full tactical gear on. The one across town gets a tight ass every time I walk in the place, even though they have no signs up prohibiting concealed carry. I've bought plenty of guns from both places, but the local guys are the more "CC-friendly".
As an ex-cop, I like all kinds of gun toys... tactical gear, etc. and while I don't buy a lot of it, I spend quite a bit of money on shooting and firearms... so whoever doesn't want my money... all they have to do is tell me to leave my gun in the car, and I will... along with the rest of me, as I drive back to a friendlier place... 'cause I'm probably wearing one I bought from them.
WT
It kind of depends on which gun shop I'm going to visit. The one close to my house wouldn't care if I came in with full tactical gear on. The one across town gets a tight ass every time I walk in the place, even though they have no signs up prohibiting concealed carry. I've bought plenty of guns from both places, but the local guys are the more "CC-friendly".
As an ex-cop, I like all kinds of gun toys... tactical gear, etc. and while I don't buy a lot of it, I spend quite a bit of money on shooting and firearms... so whoever doesn't want my money... all they have to do is tell me to leave my gun in the car, and I will... along with the rest of me, as I drive back to a friendlier place... 'cause I'm probably wearing one I bought from them.
WT
Big Boomer
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Always carry concealed in the gun stores. They have trained eye's for the most part. They pretty much know who is and who is not carrying.
When I walk into them I usually spot about 50-60% of the patron carrying. That small "bulge" on the 3-4 O'clock area
You can usually figure out the spare mags and even IWB or OWB and usually by the print of the grip if it's an auto or revolver. You just have to watch them long enough.
When I walk into them I usually spot about 50-60% of the patron carrying. That small "bulge" on the 3-4 O'clock area
You can usually figure out the spare mags and even IWB or OWB and usually by the print of the grip if it's an auto or revolver. You just have to watch them long enough.
wyocarp
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The stores that I frequent expect that I am carrying. One often ribs me about how many I might be carrying which is often more of a joke than the truth. If a gun shop is paranoid about guns, they should get in another line of work and I will find a different place to shop.
jackstinson
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Yes, I carry in gun stores.
All of the ones I frequent allow concealed carry in their shops. Some have signs proclaiming that fact. They only ask that the gun be holstered.
Jack
All of the ones I frequent allow concealed carry in their shops. Some have signs proclaiming that fact. They only ask that the gun be holstered.
Jack
mewachee
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Bring this post to the shops you are concerned with.
I think shop owners of questionable policies should be given the opportunity to receive this link or a print out of this conversation. Most of the people posting here seem to be responsible and respectable people. Yes, some of the views are different, but I think that it has more to do with the balance of politics on gun control locally.
Where I live, I kind of look for signs, but half heartedly. It is kind of like going to the grocery store, did I leave my wallet in the car or not, a question I don't think to ask. I bank outside and I don't spend much time in courthouses and federal buildings, so I don't think about it much.
I think shop owners of questionable policies should be given the opportunity to receive this link or a print out of this conversation. Most of the people posting here seem to be responsible and respectable people. Yes, some of the views are different, but I think that it has more to do with the balance of politics on gun control locally.
Where I live, I kind of look for signs, but half heartedly. It is kind of like going to the grocery store, did I leave my wallet in the car or not, a question I don't think to ask. I bank outside and I don't spend much time in courthouses and federal buildings, so I don't think about it much.
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