Do you ever leave your guns in the car?

[Rockrivr1]

"Called the In-Car Gun safe, purchasable from this site:

http://www.center-of-mass.com/"


That's what I have as well. Couldn't remember the name on my previous post. Great safe!!!

 

[HankB]

Now, the failing alcohol level that will get your CHL license revoked is ANY alcohol level at all. NOT over the legal DUI limit, but now if the needle moves AT ALL, so long CHL.

Cite, please?

Texas CHL legislation prohibits carry while intoxicated, but does not actually define "intoxication."

The assumption has been that the DUI level of 0.08% would apply, but unless there's some new amendment that's been enacted it's not really spelled out in the law, and I'm not aware of any established precedent set by case law. IANAL but if some judge bypasses the generally accepted 0.08% driving limit and defines one drink within the past 12 hours as "intoxication" for CHL purposes, I don't think it will hold up . . . but it will cost you some $$$ to fight it.

Having said that I'll note that first, I do NOT repeat NOT advocate drinking and packing any more than I advocate drinking and driving, and second, that if you do drink and pack, there is NO "implied consent" law that would require you to take a breath, blood, or field sobriety test - or even answer questions as to your alcohol consumption - for carrying a concealed weapon as there is for driving a car. So if you were the passenger in a car that got stopped, how would Officer Not-So-Friendly establish - legally - that you'd had one or two drinks?

 

[M2 Carbine]

Last week my instructor friend gave other friends the renewal class and I sat in just for a refresher.

I don't know where the new alcohol rule is spelled out. Next chance I'll ask my friend.
Like I said he just got back from Austin and he said the DPS instructors stressed the Zero tolerance rule.


It's a question on the new test.
"There is no "legal limit" of intoxication for a (underlined) CHL holder carrying a handgun after drinking alcohol." "True"


Driving was the only thing that was talked about.

Better tell your drinking buddies.

 

[HankB]

Oh, I don't doubt that somebody, somewhere in the DPS or other bureaucracy decided that "intoxication" means "zero tolerance," but I'd just like to know if "intoxication" is codified in the law or if there's precedent setting established case law that says, for example, 0.01% blood alcohol (which might be one beer an hour ago before dinner)constitutes "intoxication" for CHL holders.

(No, a lush shouldn't be packing heat or driving a car, and I don't want to be the test case, but there always seems to be new restrictions/interpretations that some anonymous bureaucrat feels are good which don't really have force of law behind them.)

 

[erh]

Only if I'm going into somewhere that it is not legal to carry CCW, and then not for long. (erh)

 

[k_dawg]

I do not "worry" about someone using a gun stolen from me, anymore than I "worry" about them using my car they stole from me.

To believe otherwise, boarders on the same logic of blaming the victim of rape. The responsibility lies with the criminal. No one else.

 

[Missashot]

I know that it is not the smartest thing to do, but since I have a S&W 60 on me at all times, I do leave my cheapest gun, a Bersa .380 in the glove box. I try to remember to lock the glove box, but sadly, most of the time, I just keep the car locked.

 

[dpesec]

Very seldom. Like others, there are places here in Ohio that I can't carry in. Otherwise, no.

 

[torpid]

I do not "worry" about someone using a gun stolen from me, anymore than I "worry" about them using my car they stole from me.

To believe otherwise, boarders on the same logic of blaming the victim of rape. The responsibility lies with the criminal. No one else.

So just leave guns where they can be easily obtained by criminals (due to the "hassle" of carrying or securing them), and if the gun is used in a crime it's c'est la vie?

Leaving it up to the conscience of the criminal not to steal your gun and hurt anybody with it is not really the best way to approach things in my opinion.

This is not even close to the same logic of blaming the victim of rape.

It's more akin to a lazy prosecutor letting a rapist go free on a minor technicality because he couldn't be bothered with preparing for the case. Then, when the rapist strikes again, shrugging and saying "Meh, it's just the system. Not my wife or daughter, anyway. It's all his fault, he really shouldn't be raping anybody."

.

 

[TallPine]

Guns can be stolen out of houses as well as cars...

 

[torpid]

Guns can be stolen out of houses as well as cars...

Why, yes they can!
(There's a whole other THR thread on the merits of carrying/securing guns in your home, too.)

However, your unattended car is much more likely to be broken into in a parking lot than your home is. If you are going to limit yourself to securing only one or the other for some reason, I'd recommend focusing the car gun.


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[TallPine]

However, your unattended car is much more likely to be broken into in a parking lot than your home is.

Why is that?

I'm actually more concerned about the house when no one is home, since I have no neighbors within sight. OTOH, something like Walmart parking lot people are coming and going all the time.

Just what level of security is "enough" ....?

(I really must get that underground bunker built someday )

 

[M2 Carbine]

I do not "worry" about someone using a gun stolen from me, anymore than I "worry" about them using my car they stole from me.

To believe otherwise, boarders on the same logic of blaming the victim of rape. The responsibility lies with the criminal. No one else.

+1

I don't buy the line that I'm somehow responsible for a criminal's actions.

I've never bought any of the "it's for the children", "it's societies fault", "your guns must always be locked up" and I sure don't buy the notion that I'm somehow at fault because of what the parasites in our society do.

If some POS breaks into my car that's just life, but I do hope I get a shot at him as he's trying it.

 

[Mannlicher]

Every day at work, I leave my CZ PCR, or a Browning HP, or a S&W .357, between the car seat and rocker panel. Quite often, there is an AR15 or an 870 12 GA on the floor behind the seat, covered with a blanket and stuff. I have done that 5 days a week, for the past 6 years.
We park in a company owned gated, and guarded 5 story garage.
The company I work for is rabidly anti gun,(CEO is a personal friend of Bill and Hillary, I met them both during their visits here). A firearm on company property is strictly 'verbotten', but what the hey, its my security I am worried about. I do what I feel is best for the protection of my wife and I. To get to work, we have to drive through the two most dangerous sections of Miami.

 

[Ala Dan]

Absolutely not, too many perps lurking 'round these parts~!

 

[Kramer Krazy]

Eventhough I am not supposed to have firearms on the property at work, sometimes I will leave my Bersa Thunder 380 or Colt Mustang in the car. Other than that, they are usually on me at all times.

 

[DevLcL]

Where would one keep a shotgun or long rilfe in a pickup? Assuming the pickup has no lockbox in the bed and there is no cover on it, you can't really have one in the cab right?

-Dev

 

[Sheldon J]

Gun in car and I'm not there..

Never I CCW and just like the ignition keys when I leave the vehicle so dose my gun.

 

[TallPine]

Where would one keep a shotgun or long rilfe in a pickup?

Behind the seat...?

That's assuming you don't have one of those rear window rifle racks

 

[M2 Carbine]

Where would one keep a shotgun or long rilfe in a pickup? Assuming the pickup has no lockbox in the bed and there is no cover on it, you can't really have one in the cab right?

-Dev

Look back on page 2. That's a Toyota PU. I've since replaced the Carbine with a SKS which just fits in that little truck.

In TX you can carry a loaded long gun in your vehicle without any carry license.


Back some years before concealed carry in TX, a lady we know was being threatened by dopers (long story).
The Sheriff told her to pick up a 12ga pump shotgun and he would cut off the barrel to 18 inches for her. He told her if she carried and used a pistol on the dopers it might get her in a little trouble but if she shot them the 12ga he wouldn't have any problems with that.

 

[fantacmet]

Only when I MUST leave it. Sometimes when I am at home as well, but I doin't have to worry about anyone borrowing the turck. NOBODY borrows it, and if someone gets lucky enough to drive it, I am in the passenger seat barking orders at the driver. I'm very particular.

Rev. Michael

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

I do keep one gun in my car and one in my partners. I keep a Beretta Tomcat .32 in my car in an under the seat holster and I am going to move my old emergency SD gun (little .22 mag revolver) to my partners car as soon as he gets his permit. I am not one of "those people" that feel they have the right to be armed every minute of every day (never understood guys who want a gun on their hip all the time...is it a small penis thing? ) so I leave one in my car.

 

[M2 Carbine]

I do keep one gun in my car and one in my partners. I keep a Beretta Tomcat .32 in my car in an under the seat holster and I am going to move my old emergency SD gun (little .22 mag revolver) to my partners car as soon as he gets his permit. I am not one of "those people" that feel they have the right to be armed every minute of every day (never understood guys who want a gun on their hip all the time...is it a small penis thing? ) so I leave one in my car.

I don't bother carrying a pistol every minute of the day because I've got then around everywhere.

But I would appreciate you're telling me which minutes of the day that a person absoutely doesn't have "the right to be armed", maybe I'm breaking some kind of rule.

I don't know about the "small penis thing". Is that something that you check very often?

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

But I would appreciate you're telling me which minutes of the day that a person absoutely doesn't have "the right to be armed", maybe I'm breaking some kind of rule.

I just do not understand guys that feel like they need to carry a pistol all the time. I can unserstand if you have a dangerous job, travel into questionable area, etc... but just carrying out of some weird need to feel protected borders on paranoia to me....either that or some other insecurity issue. As for our right to carry a pistol it has been pretty well established that the 2nd amendment refers to militias and organized and regulated establishments which is why states can make laws that ban handguns for private citizens that withstand court challenges. I am pro-gun ownership but I do feel that their are limits as to when it is appropriate to carry a loaded weapon. Why would someone need to carry a pistol to work or to a daycare or to the grocery store. I find it ridiculous when I read post like "my employer won't let me carry my .45 on my side at work at the krisy kreme". Why would you even want to???? Can someone explain that to me without getting all blustery and high and mighty? Are they afraid that the government is going to turn against them so suddenly they will not be able to make it home.

 

[palerider1]

I do keep one gun in my car and one in my partners. I keep a Beretta Tomcat .32 in my car in an under the seat holster and I am going to move my old emergency SD gun (little .22 mag revolver) to my partners car as soon as he gets his permit. I am not one of "those people" that feel they have the right to be armed every minute of every day (never understood guys who want a gun on their hip all the time...is it a small penis thing? ) so I leave one in my car.

Your partners car?,,,,,,what are you guys like private investigators or something I carry mine all of the time because everyday you read in the paper or see on the news people committing serious acts of violence all over the place. its just a matter of time before each of us will be effected by these crimes and if your not armed then you'll feel like you brought a knife to a gunfight. I actually feel more comfortable without having my piece on me because then i dont have to worry about concealment issues, but for most of us the day will come in our lives when we are faced with danger. whether it be in a holdup or a group of thugs in a parking lot or a home invasion. I have the right to carry all of the time and so i do. besides it is far less dangerous having my pistol on me instead of it in my car just waiting to be stolen and used in crimes. a thief can bust your window and within seconds your gun is gone. i carry a big gun and have no troubles in the p___s area....i see you like 22's