Guitargod1985
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I was just curious is any states (especially Florida) allow a concealed weapon licensee to carry an NFA weapon for concealed carry. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.
Does any state allow NFA items for CCW?
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Chipperman
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I'm not aware of any states that explicitly allow it, just that many make no mention of it.
redneckrepairs
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I suppose you could here in Colorado , I know of no prohibition against it , but my question is why would you ? Seriously i would like to know anyones thoughts on why one would , especially with what could happen in a courtroom after a shooting had one had an NFA gun used .
DoubleTapDrew
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I haven't heard about any states that prohibit it (provided they allow both CCW and NFA of course). It might bite you in court though if you get a next of kin with a soulless attorney.
"Given that your Glock 18 submachineassaultpistolofdeath blew off 18 rounds in 1 second you didn't really have time to assess if he was stopping or still charging you now did'ya?"
I have seen shoulder rigs for short shotguns and sub guns though so some people do (probably close protection teams mostly).
"Given that your Glock 18 submachineassaultpistolofdeath blew off 18 rounds in 1 second you didn't really have time to assess if he was stopping or still charging you now did'ya?"
I have seen shoulder rigs for short shotguns and sub guns though so some people do (probably close protection teams mostly).
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MASTEROFMALICE
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Funny you should mention that since I have wondered about a Glock 18 or Beretta 93, even though they're impossible to get.
MRIman
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NY doesn't offer much,but AOW's are good if you can get the CLEO
to sign off on it.
That said you can get a Serbu AOW and put it on your pistol permit!!
http://www.serbu.com/legacy/shorty.htm
MRI
to sign off on it.
That said you can get a Serbu AOW and put it on your pistol permit!!
http://www.serbu.com/legacy/shorty.htm
MRI
There was a case reported about ten years ago by a well known firearms writer ( yes that one, member of this forum). There was a confrontation, the other guy had a tire iron, a fully auto ( Legal) weapon was use to make man with the tire iron a bloody mess. Went to court, the jury thought the force used was excessive, man went to prison for a couple of years. The prosecutor stated it would have been simply a self defence issue if anything other than fully automatic weapon had been used. If you want to use a NFA weapon for self defence that's your choice.
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If you're found guilty of using an NFA weapon in a crime the feds can charge you with a crime that carries a hefty sentence. So, if some stupid jury decides that because of the weapon you used it wasn't legitimate self-defense, you're in big trouble...most AOW's wouldn't strike most people as being "evil" weapons, but machine guns and explosive DD's are another matter entirely...not saying I wouldn't use such weapons if I had any and it's a clear cut case of self-defense (for example, large gang doing a home invasion or rioters attacking you, I'd want a full auto in that case) but be very careful if you ever use one for defense.
And I disagree entirely with all of this stuff and the NFA itself, but public perception is what it is and the laws are what they are now, so keep it all in mind is all I'm saying...
And I disagree entirely with all of this stuff and the NFA itself, but public perception is what it is and the laws are what they are now, so keep it all in mind is all I'm saying...
Dave P
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Look up Florida statue 790. I don't recall any reason you can't - the license is for many type of weapons.
Zundfolge
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Your Colorado permit is a Concealed HANDGUN Permit. So the only NFA Item that might be kosher here would be a suppressed pistol.
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looked up the law in the packet I got from the Sheriff.
18-12-202.4 "HANDGUN" MEANS A HANDGUN AS DEFINED IN SECTION 18-12-101 (1) (e.5); EXCEPT
THAT THE TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE A MACHINE GUN AS DEFINED IN SECTION 18-12-101 (1) (g).
armoredman
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AZ allows it.
geekWithA.45
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The PA statutes have a roving definition of "firearm". You must check to see what definition is operative as it pertains to each section of the law. A lot of the time it means "any gun, excluding muzzle loaders & antiques", sometimes it means "any gun period", and a lot of the time, it means "handgun".
In the case of our LTCF (ccw) law, the operative definition includes SBS and SBR.
In the case of our LTCF (ccw) law, the operative definition includes SBS and SBR.
Guitargod1985
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Thanks fo the input guys.
I know what some of you are thinking, and no I would not personally use an NFA item for cocealed carry, but I was curious as to its legality.
I know that even with some types of self-defense rounds the prosecutor is likely to twist the facts and an ignorant jury is likely to believe him/her. Obviously, an NFA item would be much worse.
The only reason I asked was that I saw a thread about Uzi shoulder rigs and wondered if it would be legal to CC a SBR.
I know what some of you are thinking, and no I would not personally use an NFA item for cocealed carry, but I was curious as to its legality.
I know that even with some types of self-defense rounds the prosecutor is likely to twist the facts and an ignorant jury is likely to believe him/her. Obviously, an NFA item would be much worse.
The only reason I asked was that I saw a thread about Uzi shoulder rigs and wondered if it would be legal to CC a SBR.
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THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, I'M NO LAWYER.
I know a teensy bit about FL NFA carry law.
I think that carrying a machinegun is specifically banned, even if you have a CHL. AOWs, SBSs, SBRs, are all to my knowledge okay. I don't know about DDs, but they're impractical to carry anyway.
Why not just buy yourself a nice AK or AR pistol and strap it under a coat?
I know a teensy bit about FL NFA carry law.
I think that carrying a machinegun is specifically banned, even if you have a CHL. AOWs, SBSs, SBRs, are all to my knowledge okay. I don't know about DDs, but they're impractical to carry anyway.
Why not just buy yourself a nice AK or AR pistol and strap it under a coat?
MachIVshooter
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That's my take on it.
But it does beg the question, why would you want to? Full auto is going to get you into trouble in the courtroom, not to mention that you'd have a very expensive piece confiscated. As for SBR's, SBS's and AOW's, I just can't see how they be beneficial in a defensive situation. The common handgun seems to fit the bill just fine.
Geronimo45
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I can't find any mention of it. Texas does not allow the carry of a handgun without a license, but does not appear to restrict the carry of any other type of firearms. So, it is possible that I could carry a fully automatic Uzi around with no CHL, but I would need my CHL if I wished to carry a semi-auto Hi-Point.
I doubt that the OP intends to carry an NFA gadget - probably just a matter of interest.
I doubt that the OP intends to carry an NFA gadget - probably just a matter of interest.
Not legal advice, but a few points to ponder, before carrying an expensive weapon.
Do you really want your $3k+ NFA firearm sitting in county lock up after you blast some guy that deserved it... because there will be an investigation on " IF " he deserved it or if you commited Murder, dispite the fact you were obviously "in fear of your life" when you fired your weapon.
Be told to "drop your weapon" and have to set your $1,200 Kimber down on the pavement, while in the process of stoping a bad guy from breaking into your truck, and you'll quickly change tactics on which firearm you reach for ... for me it's a $400 SA XD-40 ... hate tupperware, but the price was right, it feels like a fat 1911, I'm not afraid to get it scratched up if I ever have to "drop your weapon" again.
Do you really want your $3k+ NFA firearm sitting in county lock up after you blast some guy that deserved it... because there will be an investigation on " IF " he deserved it or if you commited Murder, dispite the fact you were obviously "in fear of your life" when you fired your weapon.
Be told to "drop your weapon" and have to set your $1,200 Kimber down on the pavement, while in the process of stoping a bad guy from breaking into your truck, and you'll quickly change tactics on which firearm you reach for ... for me it's a $400 SA XD-40 ... hate tupperware, but the price was right, it feels like a fat 1911, I'm not afraid to get it scratched up if I ever have to "drop your weapon" again.
damien
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Why the heck does this question keep coming up? The correct answer is N/A. Who cares if it is legal or not. Don't do it.
I seem to recall someone using a super shorty for carry. That is an AOW.
I recall some locations required it to be a pistol. Personaly if they can keep it concealed I don't see why they should be restricted.
In fact I think a handgun with a forward grip on a shoulder strap could be deployed and fired more accurately than a normal handgun. That would be a SBR due to the forward grip. Picture like an AR pistol with forward grip hanging on a shoulder strap beneath a jacket.
In fact that would be just perfect for some occasions. A post earlier had the same setup with an Uzi.
The real question is whether you want to be judged by a jury while they show a menacing NFA item that the prosecutor will use to show you are a psyco for carrying.
"You were just playing commando waiting to hurt someone such as the deceased with your _____. A real threat to society." Looking at jury "would you want this man running around out there with your kids with this!?" Holds up evil looking NFA item. "It is imperative that we get this murdering maniac off the streets before he kills even more people".
Furthermore if they decide you are not really guilty of murder, but stick a lesser charge that simply makes you a felon with probation, or perhaps a short jail or prison sentence (as does happen in self defense cases quite often, especialy if they cannot afford good defense) then the fact that you used an NFA weapon in a crime subjects you to several 10+ year federal felonies. So your couple year compromise felony that you might get out with timed served on probation makes you eligible for 20-30 more years federal time, which has no parole.
I recall some locations required it to be a pistol. Personaly if they can keep it concealed I don't see why they should be restricted.
In fact I think a handgun with a forward grip on a shoulder strap could be deployed and fired more accurately than a normal handgun. That would be a SBR due to the forward grip. Picture like an AR pistol with forward grip hanging on a shoulder strap beneath a jacket.
In fact that would be just perfect for some occasions. A post earlier had the same setup with an Uzi.
The real question is whether you want to be judged by a jury while they show a menacing NFA item that the prosecutor will use to show you are a psyco for carrying.
"You were just playing commando waiting to hurt someone such as the deceased with your _____.
A real threat to society." Looking at jury "would you want this man running around out there with your kids with this!?" Holds up evil looking NFA item. "It is imperative that we get this murdering maniac off the streets before he kills even more people". Furthermore if they decide you are not really guilty of murder, but stick a lesser charge that simply makes you a felon with probation, or perhaps a short jail or prison sentence (as does happen in self defense cases quite often, especialy if they cannot afford good defense) then the fact that you used an NFA weapon in a crime subjects you to several 10+ year federal felonies. So your couple year compromise felony that you might get out with timed served on probation makes you eligible for 20-30 more years federal time, which has no parole.
Not allowed here in CT.
Sec. 53-202.
(c) Any person who possesses or uses a machine gun for an offensive or aggressive purpose shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not less than five years nor more than ten years or be both fined and imprisoned.
(d) The possession or use of a machine gun shall be presumed to be for an offensive or aggressive purpose: (1) When the machine gun is on premises not owned or rented, for bona fide permanent residence or business occupancy, by the person in whose possession the machine gun was found; or (2) when in the possession of, or used by, an unnaturalized foreign-born person, or a person who has been convicted of a crime of violence in any state or federal court of record of the United States of America, its territories or insular possessions; or (3) when the machine gun is of the kind described in subsection (g) hereof and has not been registered as therein required; or (4) when empty or loaded projectiles of any caliber which have been or are susceptible of use in the machine gun are found in the immediate vicinity thereof.
We still have a version of the Fed AW on the books so a AR or AK pistol can't be carried as well.
Sec. 53-202f. Transportation of assault weapon. Authorized actions of gun dealer. (a) While transporting an assault weapon between any of the places mentioned in subdivisions (1) to (6), inclusive, of subsection (d) of section 53-202d, no person shall carry a loaded assault weapon concealed from public view or knowingly have, in any motor vehicle owned, operated or occupied by him (1) a loaded assault weapon, or (2) an unloaded assault weapon unless such weapon is kept in the trunk of such vehicle or in a case or other container which is inaccessible to the operator of or any passenger in such vehicle. Any person who violates the provisions of this subsection shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned not more than three years or both.
Unable to find anything about AOW's or "short" rifles or shotguns.
Still not a good idea ,even if legal in your state, IMHO.
Sec. 53-202.
(c) Any person who possesses or uses a machine gun for an offensive or aggressive purpose shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not less than five years nor more than ten years or be both fined and imprisoned.
(d) The possession or use of a machine gun shall be presumed to be for an offensive or aggressive purpose: (1) When the machine gun is on premises not owned or rented, for bona fide permanent residence or business occupancy, by the person in whose possession the machine gun was found; or (2) when in the possession of, or used by, an unnaturalized foreign-born person, or a person who has been convicted of a crime of violence in any state or federal court of record of the United States of America, its territories or insular possessions; or (3) when the machine gun is of the kind described in subsection (g) hereof and has not been registered as therein required; or (4) when empty or loaded projectiles of any caliber which have been or are susceptible of use in the machine gun are found in the immediate vicinity thereof.
We still have a version of the Fed AW on the books so a AR or AK pistol can't be carried as well.
Sec. 53-202f. Transportation of assault weapon. Authorized actions of gun dealer. (a) While transporting an assault weapon between any of the places mentioned in subdivisions (1) to (6), inclusive, of subsection (d) of section 53-202d, no person shall carry a loaded assault weapon concealed from public view or knowingly have, in any motor vehicle owned, operated or occupied by him (1) a loaded assault weapon, or (2) an unloaded assault weapon unless such weapon is kept in the trunk of such vehicle or in a case or other container which is inaccessible to the operator of or any passenger in such vehicle. Any person who violates the provisions of this subsection shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned not more than three years or both.
Unable to find anything about AOW's or "short" rifles or shotguns.
Still not a good idea ,even if legal in your state, IMHO.
BlackBearME
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Maine's CCW law allows concealment of any firearm (but you can still only have a loaded pistol/handgun in your car - gotta unload a rifle/shotgun. Go figure.)
And Maine has no restrictions on NFA items, so why not?
As people noted above, you wouldn't necessarily want to employ a Beretta 93 in self-defense. Work? Yes. Worth the hassle? No.
But what about AOW? An AOW is, after all, Any Other Weapon. The shorties aren't the only AOW...could be for instance a pen gun, or something similar. And if you were considering something like that (and that's not too unreasonable to consider - in fact, I've considered it before) then it would be prudent to explore the legalities involved.
And Maine has no restrictions on NFA items, so why not?
As people noted above, you wouldn't necessarily want to employ a Beretta 93 in self-defense. Work? Yes. Worth the hassle? No.
But what about AOW? An AOW is, after all, Any Other Weapon. The shorties aren't the only AOW...could be for instance a pen gun, or something similar. And if you were considering something like that (and that's not too unreasonable to consider - in fact, I've considered it before) then it would be prudent to explore the legalities involved.
Bazooka Joe71
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I'm sure you are just asking a hypothetical question(I think). But why even ponder the idea? It would never be smart, even if your state's law does not prohibit it.
I take that back, not only would it "never be smart..." it would just be plain foolish to even try.
I take that back, not only would it "never be smart..." it would just be plain foolish to even try.
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