does anyone actually dislike the AR15?

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I'm a strong fan! If the AR-15 (whichever calibers) were not nearly so popular, imagine how much more demand there might be for the CMP's Garands, or various other milsurp rifles. That might cause constant price increases.

I'm very thankful that the ARs and components divert so much cash. Chic is good.

A friend bought a classic Colt AR twenty years ago and the trigger is tight, though it might not cost much to modify or replace?
 
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I do not particularly like them. I have seen too many do all the things ARphiles say they don't. I have seen them stop for no apparent reason and heard all manner of excuses. I have been in a carbine class where professionals talked about how they never malfunctioned after I had watched them having to do Immediate action drills.

My biggest single issue is the direct impengment gas system. Modern non POL lubes have gone a long way to mitigating the problems with the system that deficates where it masticates.

That said, the ergonomics are excellent. I wish the AR-180 had a bolt catch and release like the AR-15 and that the AR-15 had a gas system like the AR-180 ( and now some folks offer such)

I wish I had bought a CAR15 /Xm-177 type carbine (though with a pencil 16 inch barrel rather than a 10 inch and Flash suppresor/sound moderator) and a 1 in 12 twist barrel back in the '80's. In my experience that "obsolete" twist works better with the more common M193 55 grain ball types which are cheapest and more common than the heavier stuff and work great with lighter bullets. Further that twist at least at our altitude adn tempertures in central Florida stablizes 62 grain green tip good enough for all but target work out to beyond 100 meters. ALso the 1 in 12 works better with .22LR converters and adaptors than tighter twists.

Unfortunately none of the kit makers recognize that or atleast don't think most folks that might buy their stuff recognized that.

I would even be happy with an AR-15 set up like a certain rubber baby bumper M-16A1 I used to live at my uncles with for nostalgia and becasue it would be handier than either an HBAR or in my mind a tricked out M4-ish.

Despite my misgivings an AR is a gun that as others have suggested are the VW Bug of the gun world (showing my age) with more accessories available than original parts. Parts are easily gathered and anyone with an IQ over 80 can likely swap out 90 + percent of parts.

I would certainly not turn the gift of an AR down, and may yet buy another (notice another) but their are other guns I like a lot better and would enjoy having just as a toy.

-kBob
 
Then install a Spikes ST-T2 buffer, and a lot of that sound will go away.

That looks like it would solve my dislike! I don't have an issue with the AR-15 otherwise (given my very limited experience).
 
Sorry Jason, and the worst thing is - that version isn't QUITE available yet...;) It will be soon, and 5.56mm vz-58 PISTOLS will be coming in soon, too. :)

The AR-15 is the grown man's Lego toy, but I just can't get used to it. I did have one AR guy ask if I could manipulate all controls with one hand, and yes, the only thing I can't do with the 5.56mm vz-58 is release the bolt - the extended bolt release doesn't fit with the AR-15 magazine adapter. The 7.62x39mm version with the NEA Extended Bolt Release and Ambi Mag Release does allow me to access all controls from the firing hand.

Gotta be worth something that the original vz-58 is the longest serving assault rifle so far. ;)

Edit to add, vz-58 pistols ARE in stock. :)

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/rifles/556-x-45-mm/sa-vz58-pistol-556/

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/rifles/762-x-39-mm/sa-vz58-pistol-762/
ill definitely put a VZ58 on my list to buy at some point.. in 5.56mm of course (like that round a lot more than 7.62x39, though, neither as much as im starting to like 6.8) i have a few AKs on my list though as the more i dip into the aftermarket with these things and solving some ergonomics issues, the more im really starting to like them as an all around rifle
 
The ar is a great platform but not infallible.
After 11 years in service I have realized this. Its simple to use and you can train some one who has never fired a firearm to consistently hit targets at 100 m in less than a week of instruction. It is cheap to build and will take a beating and is easy to repair. That being said there are much better rifle designs that don't require as much maintenance but cost more and are much more difficult for your average highschool grad to dissamble. I don't like the platform but I respect it.
i assume the rifles you refer to as much better designs are of the 7.62x51 nature?
 
I don't... in part because every m-16 I was ever issued was a jamomatic (an armory maintenance issue in fairness), but also because I don't like using my left hand for reloading and charging. Maintaining a firing grip on a rifle I can't fire until I finish reloading (or unjamming) the blamed thing doesn't accomplish anything... I'd be happier with a rifle I can work right handed.
 
I really appreciate the design of the AR after building one for my son, and I can not say that I dislike any rifle that can be carried and fired safely.

That being said, if I am going to spend $600-1200 on guns, an AR is probably one of the last things I would buy. The AR just does not really fit into any good category for me - they are 2-3x times the cost of something like a SKS to plink with centerfire ammo and the accuracy of the platform can probably be equaled by a bolt rifle for about half the cost. For the money, I think I would buy a FAL, another decent pistol or maybe a mid level o/u shotgun.

ARs are the iPhones of the gun world - they seem to be everywhere, everybody that has one has their own custom touches on it and in my estimation they all paid too much.
 
First impressions usually stick with you....that being said, the first AR I shot was in basic training in the Air Force. I detested it then and I really don't like it any better now. Just my opinion.
 
ive seen some new M1A stocks that bring the M1A into the 21st century.. but most of what i see with the FAL tends to be its old military configuration... im not 100% familiar with this design.. so im curious what the ergonomics and the interface are like... most of what im used to on such an intimate level is the AK designs (guess i could get a saiga when i go for a .308 rifle)
 
I'm running the spikes st-t2 buffer. Can't say that it actually does much. the sproing persists. now that jp contained until looks promising, but as with most AR accessories, I bet it costs an arm and a leg and your firstborn.
 
I dont "dislike" em, but, thereare many I prefer over them.

I have owned a couple, they just dont seem to stay around, and are easy for me to trade away
 
Well, I carried CAR-15 and M-16's for 4 years. We transitioned from the M1 Carbine when I just joined the USAF. AR-15's are ok, but I am a Sig Bigot and completely enamored with my Sig 556. I usually shoot very well with it, and was only average with the M16. . . .
 
ive seen some new M1A stocks that bring the M1A into the 21st century..

The M1A is supposed to be wood and steel, but plastic stocks if it gets some new shooters out there, great.

On the other hand, the AR-15 is supposed to be plastic and aluminum with all sorts of stuff hung off it. Tacticool stuff for the mall ninjas.

I like them both, and the M1 Garand and Carbine as well.
 
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I have had 4 over the last 20 yrs. or so, 1-SP-1, 2- A-2 's , and 1- M-4 type, all were Colt manufacture and have not had a single problem with any of them.
 
Curtis Lemay and Bob McNamara bought into the gee whizz Mattel rifle of Stoners. In the scheme of things battle rifles have been of ever diminishing importance to our military since trenches of WWI. Most of the troops with experience that had to transition to the M16 from the M14 hated the gun and the 5.56. Those men were career NCOs.
 
Personally, I think it is an alright gun, but not my taste.

If other like them fine, but the charging handle just never worked for me.
 
Well, I am going to say I dislike them. I will agree that they are accurate, and very reliable when built and maintained properly. I just cant get past the ergos. I have owned several of them, a Colt match target, and a RRA M4 clone, and have built, repaired, and sold tons of them. The safety location, mag release, and charging handle are just wrong for me. I also highly dislike the buffer spring noise. I do enjoy my Mini-14, and when I need more accuracy I turn to one of my bolt guns.
 
When I go to the range these days, ARs are all I see. I like to have something different. I also like wood. I also don't like how I look in the catalogs and see all these expensive parts. I "get" it, you can customize it out the ear to make it anything you want, but I know if I got my hands on one I'd be bankrupt.

I do like .223 though. I bought a Mini-14 and a Stevens 200 in the round. Cheap and fun.

I also like shooting my friend's ARs. The ergos, with the pistol grip, etc, feels natural to me.
 
I "like" mine, but it's not my favorite....."tacticool" yes....."warm" like a pretty bolt rifle, absolutely not IMO.

I appreciate the simplicity of a bolt action rifle and how much easier they are to clean than an AR (I'm too picky to simply put any gun I've fired away without cleaning it 1st).

Glad I have mine, won't ever sell it, and believe it has it's applications, but overall, like my bolt actions better along with the FNAR (and yes, it's more difficult to clean than a bolt action too!).
 
I like AR15's. I like how light and accurate they are. They are also fun to build.

No gun is perfect..... I like how you can see / feel the different results of the same problem that the US and the USSR took on the lessons of ww2 when you shoot an AK and an AR.
 
I was one of the men issued an M16 in 11/67. We were told that they "didn't need cleaning", and, in fact, were issued one cleaning rod for every three rifles.

My first one gave me a bolt-over jam on the second round fired in anger. It was left in a rice paddy.

My second M16 was checked over by both the unit armorer, and the Colt Rep, and pronounced good to go. At the sighting range, it fired twice, and gave me a bolt-over jam. It was returned in three pieces after being Beta-tested as an impact weapon.

My third M16 was traded to an ARVN Ranger for his M2 Carbine, ten 30 round mags, and a case of ammo (Lake City).

I was told to go "get it back", turn it in, and was re-issued my old TRW M14, which I carried until I returned to CONUS in 4/69.

The guns ate themselves to pieces. The magazines were so flimsy that we thought that they were single-use. The sights sucked, and the barrel would wick moisture in jungle grass, causing a bulged barrel. The furniture was brittle, and they couldn't be fired when emerging from underwater, as they wouldn't drain quickly. I saw this when another unit found a creek in a contact. One of the men fell as they crossed it. He came up from the water, targeted an enemy, and bulged his barrel badly. The M1 Garand, the M1 Carbine, and the M14 didn't have this problem.

I'm sure that the current issue guns,unless they are worn out, are more reliable. Thanks, but it's taken 50 years, billions of dollars in R&D, and you still have the most maintenance intensive gun available. The ammunition is another story of failed objectives, as well. Again, after billions of dollars in R&D, it might just equal the 1950's era 7.62x51 under ideal conditions for the 5.56.

The AR just isn't for me, nor will I recommend one for anyone who might actually need to protect themselves. There are entirely too many proven systems out there to worry about anything like the AR. :):)
 
^ I carry mine to the range, so far it has been all outgoing fire.... ;);)


Thanks for your service and Welcome home! (you probably didn't hear that back then)

I think you have earned the right to your position on the AR! :)
 
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