Does anyone here carry pepperspray?

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just because you´re wasp-paraoid ...
doesn´t mean those wasps are NOT following you.

(wait.

If it´s against White Anglo Saxon Protestants ...
... i want some for EDC!)
 
ChaoSS said:
Why, why, oh why do people keep going on with this wasp spray stuff? It's something that won't work as well as pepper spray, but because it can permanently maim someone, the standards by which you deploy it had better be closer to that of a gun than pepper spray, and even then, you could end up in serious trouble in civil court. If it comes out that you carried it specifically for that purpose, there's even more serious trouble.

Carry pepper spray and leave the wasp spray at home for spraying wasps.
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He said he carried it for wasps and bee's, not for self defense against humans.

His post said "However --In my car I do carry a large can of Raid Wasp Killer spray {as i'm very very very scared of Wasps/Bees} !!!! "
 
The context clearly suggests it is being used as an ersatz defense spray; otherwise the post is completely irrelevant to the thread and board.
 
I carry the Fox Labs Cone Spray (2oz I believe it is). I have never used it against a person or dog. However, my brother is retired LEO and he said that there definitly are people who will fight thru it and all bets are off if used on a meth head or person on something; and the two or three times he used it against dogs they didn't like it but he wouldn't want to bet his leg on it either.
 
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The situation by which I would deploy any defense, including hornet spray, would be a life threatening event.

I have carried a firearm in my truck for 30 years and I have never had to draw it
for defense.


But whatever, if I had to use hornet spray to defend myself or family, I'm not going to worry about what happens in court.
 
My wife works in the school system and therefore cannot carry anything noxious or deadly. But there is a can of hornet spray in the car, at home, and a couple on the patios. She will not carry but anyone can spray an attacker if they have time. It is mean stuff--if in doubt--try it.
 
I was always skeptical about OC spray it seemed to be just another in the long line of non-lethal weapons dujour in law enforcement after the Handler 12, the ASP, the contact Stun Gun, all had their moment in the sun. I have recently taken a position as a Nurse Manager in a prison and I have gained a whole new respect for the stuff. The only thing the CO's carry are cuffs and OC, no batons, kubatons etc. I have seen some of the toughest lifers brought down to medical crying and choking like little girls after a dose of that stuff. I've seen psychotic inmates overpowered by it. I guess there are some folks it doesn't work on, but I have been impressed enough to buy myself a can.
 
The situation by which I would deploy any defense, including hornet spray, would be a life threatening event.

I have carried a firearm in my truck for 30 years and I have never had to draw it
for defense.


But whatever, if I had to use hornet spray to defend myself or family, I'm not going to worry about what happens in court.
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If I had to defend myself, I would do what I had to do. However, before these situations arise, when I plan ahead for them, I try to think of things that won't land me in jail, especially if there is a perfectly legal alternative. It's like using an illegal FA gun for self defense. If I had one, and I had to use it for self defense, I'd do it and damn the consequences. However, when I'm thinking about what guns I should buy for self defense, I go down and buy a legal gun rather than going to my local black market illegal gun distributor and picking up an M60.

My wife works in the school system and therefore cannot carry anything noxious or deadly. But there is a can of hornet spray in the car, at home, and a couple on the patios.
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So, because she can't carry a weapon at school, you choose to use an illegal and inferior self defense system at home? Think these things through, please.
She will not carry but anyone can spray an attacker if they have time. It is mean stuff--if in doubt--try it.
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No thank you. As I understand it, it isn't pleasant, but it certainly isn't debilitating in the same way pepper spray is. However, it can cause permanent damage, which is why I have no interest in trying it for myself to find out what it is like.
 
What's with you guys having reservations about causing permanent damage to someone in a self defense scenarios?

This is The High Road, lots of members carry guns for defense. You get shot, and you're permanently damaged. What's with all the crying over a can of RAID?

I'll tell you all one thing. If I have a choice between scrapping somebody or spraying RAID, I'm using the spray. I won't feel a bit of remorse for whatever happens to them as a result of getting a face full of wasp spray. I don't have any remorse for people who have attacked me. None whatsoever. Fight back, and fight back hard.

I carry pepper spray because it's so easy to have it handy. But make no mistake-If I've got a can of RAID, I'll use it.
 
I was going to dinner one summer evening in Dallas with two friends. We were going East to the Blue Goose.

We were on a two lanes each way road and came up to a stop light. Across from us going in the opposite direction and in the lane nearest us were two girls. Up next to them pulled two guys. Apparently the guys had been harassing the girls. The girl in the passenger seat shoots OC from what had to be a bear canister. Fogged right through the fellows car. The light turned green about that instant, the girls split and the two guys were out of their car tearing their shirts off and cussing.

I been carrying a little container ever since. It may not stop everyone but odds are it will give me a better chance to run.
 
It may not stop everyone but odds are it will give me a better chance to run.
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I think that's about the right attitude to take towards OC. It offers an edge--though how big an edge will vary from totally debilitating an opponent to creating only the slightest advantage.
 
Bovice said:
What's with you guys having reservations about causing permanent damage to someone in a self defense scenarios?

This is The High Road, lots of members carry guns for defense. You get shot, and you're permanently damaged. What's with all the crying over a can of RAID?

I'll tell you all one thing. If I have a choice between scrapping somebody or spraying RAID, I'm using the spray. I won't feel a bit of remorse for whatever happens to them as a result of getting a face full of wasp spray. I don't have any remorse for people who have attacked me. None whatsoever. Fight back, and fight back hard.

I carry pepper spray because it's so easy to have it handy. But make no mistake-If I've got a can of RAID, I'll use it.
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Do you even bother reading my whole posts?

First off, the question about why we are concerned about permanent damage on a gun forum. The standards for using a gun are vastly different than the standards for using a defensive spray. This is why police carry multiple tools. It's not in case they lose their gun, it's for different levels of force. If pepper spray permanently maimed people the way Raid can, you'd have to apply the same standards to it as you do with a gun.

Second, is the idea of intentionally using something that maims. It's one thing to be outside taking care of a bug problem when you are attacked and have to use it to defend yourself. It's another thing to have cans of Raid lying around specifically so that you can maim an attacker. It's even more insane, to me, to post about it online, where it will be discovered if you are ever in this sort of conflict.
 
I read your whole post. Laughed at it.

As a civilian, if you pepper spray someone who is in fact attacking you, with the intent of doing you serious bodily harm or killing you and you're in imminent danger, you've got every right to shoot the SOB dead in his tracks. Now, since that condition is true, you'd be justified in using RAID which will maim the attacker.

I don't know where you're from, but where I'm at, if someone intends to do serious bodily harm or kill you and you are in imminent danger, you are justified legally in the use of lethal force in or outside of your home. No retreat required. If you're justified in using lethal force, you're justified in shooting him in the eyes with a can of RAID. There is no other legal justification for a civilian in terms of self defense. There aren't special conditions in which they can use a specific item. When faced with imminent death or serious injury, lethal force is justified. Is that simple enough for you?

I'm not a police officer and I don't have to abide by rules regarding escalation of force. Are you playing cops? The only policy I have to answer to is the one listed above. It DOES NOT STATE that justified lethal force excludes using wasp spray.
 
Bovice, you are either trolling hard or willfully ignorant of the issues regarding appropriate levels of force. No matter what state you are in you will find that the laws regarding deadly force (and maiming force is included in this) are much more strict than what is permissible for non deadly force. Just because you are not a cop doesn't mean that you can shoot someone who is just pushing you around.
 
Bovice quote ---
someone who is in fact attacking you, with the intent of doing you serious bodily harm or killing you and you're in imminent danger, you've got every right to shoot
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ChaoSS quote ---
Just because you are not a cop doesn't mean that you can shoot someone who is just pushing you around.
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WHat we have here is a failure to communicate ---- Cool Hand Luke
 
A quick Bear Repellent story;

Me and a buddy were out fishing for Salmon at the end of a very long Govt. pier at about 2:00 AM ---- we hear a noise behind us and turn our flashlights to the sound. We see a VERY large racoon getting into our bait bucket ---- my buddy says " Hey , I got this Bear Guard spray , lets try it " -------- I'm holding both lights on the coon and my buddy lets go with a 2-3 second spray ---- NOTHING --- this can of Bear Guard is about the size of a can of spray paint and is a "fogger" type ---- I tell him to get closer and aim for the face ---- He does and lets loose about a 6 -7 second spray --- AGAIN NOTHING !!!! We did this two more times -- the Bear Guard had a orange dye in it , to mark a bear {I guess} ---- by now , the racoon is covered head to rear feet in orange !!

End of story --- I threw my landing net at the coon and off he ran ---- SURE GLAD IT WAS A COON AND NOT A BEAR !!!!

IIRC --- the brand name was " Bear Guard " .
 
A full year shouldn't be that old....

I don't know anything about bear spray though. I'm assuming some are much better than others, just like pepper spray.
 
Yeah OC does have an expiration date usually, average is like 3-5 years or so (varies). The issues are depressurization (it won't shoot) and [I think] the oil separates from the water/propylene glycol suspension and comes out inconsistently.

Now, "Bear Spray/Repellent" far as I know is one of those vague product labels where you have no idea what in blazes you're getting. Some are just regular OC with another label painted on. Others have who-the-hell-knows what kind of chemical mix that is supposed to just "smell bad" to the bear and make it go away, the idea being to be more humane. What irritates me is that the labeling usually never indicates what the actual contents are.
 
Fox Labs' Statement on Shelf Life

The following is Fox Lab's position on 'shelf life'. I guess it is time for me to replace my 2oz cone spray as it is certainly more than two years old.

As you browse the Internet, you will find that various brands of defense sprays have different lengths of time for their shelf life (expiration dates). It can get confusing. Water-based units may have the potential for a longer life than solvent-based formulas because of the gaskets and solvents that are used, but in general, all of the products experience the same effects of time, and that is in the depletion of the propellant—the stuff that gets the formula out of the canister.
Fact is, all aerosol products start losing propellant as soon as they are filled, albeit very, very slowly. Ultimately, the formula remains effective, but you just can't get it out of the can. Who hasn’t tried to use a can of spray paint, only to find it did not discharge? This same thing happens with defense sprays, only if you need to use the defense spray, it is probably much more important than using the spray paint! Whereas many companies put “expiration” dates on their canisters, FOX LABS shows a "birth" or “manufacture” date. This date is normally printed by month, day, and year (012508, for example, would be for January 25, 2008). It is burned into the canister and is located above the label and below the top on small units. One-pound units have a label affixed to the bottom of the canister. We think, and our customers have always concurred, that it is better to know how old your canister really is, rather than just when to replace it.
We warranty our units for three years from the date they are made, resulting in what is called a three-year total life. However, we recommend replacing a unit at two years from the “time of purchase" or after using it to protect oneself. We find many customers keep track of this date by simply taking a permanent marker and writing a month and year on the bottom of their canister. So, for example, if you bought a unit in June of 2008, you would write 06/10 on the bottom of the unit, and that is your personal expiration date.
Could we state our shelf life is 4 or 5 years? Certainly, but we do not want you to risk only getting a short burst, if anything at all, when you are expecting to have enough formula to hit an attacker. Just because a company says 4 or 5 years doesn’t mean their product is really going to perform as you hope it will for that amount of time. It only means that you are taking a big risk with your safety. This is simply just one more thing that sets FOX LABS apart from other brands. It is our philosophy that it is better to have you replace a unit sooner, rather than later, since it provides a better opportunity for the unit to perform the way you hope and expect it should if you ever have a need to use it.
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