He said he carried it for wasps and bee's, not for self defense against humans.Why, why, oh why do people keep going on with this wasp spray stuff? It's something that won't work as well as pepper spray, but because it can permanently maim someone, the standards by which you deploy it had better be closer to that of a gun than pepper spray, and even then, you could end up in serious trouble in civil court. If it comes out that you carried it specifically for that purpose, there's even more serious trouble.
Carry pepper spray and leave the wasp spray at home for spraying wasps.
Are there any small and compact pepper sprayers out there?
If I had to defend myself, I would do what I had to do. However, before these situations arise, when I plan ahead for them, I try to think of things that won't land me in jail, especially if there is a perfectly legal alternative. It's like using an illegal FA gun for self defense. If I had one, and I had to use it for self defense, I'd do it and damn the consequences. However, when I'm thinking about what guns I should buy for self defense, I go down and buy a legal gun rather than going to my local black market illegal gun distributor and picking up an M60.The situation by which I would deploy any defense, including hornet spray, would be a life threatening event.
I have carried a firearm in my truck for 30 years and I have never had to draw it
for defense.
But whatever, if I had to use hornet spray to defend myself or family, I'm not going to worry about what happens in court.
So, because she can't carry a weapon at school, you choose to use an illegal and inferior self defense system at home? Think these things through, please.My wife works in the school system and therefore cannot carry anything noxious or deadly. But there is a can of hornet spray in the car, at home, and a couple on the patios.
No thank you. As I understand it, it isn't pleasant, but it certainly isn't debilitating in the same way pepper spray is. However, it can cause permanent damage, which is why I have no interest in trying it for myself to find out what it is like.She will not carry but anyone can spray an attacker if they have time. It is mean stuff--if in doubt--try it.
It may not stop everyone but odds are it will give me a better chance to run.
Bovice said:What's with you guys having reservations about causing permanent damage to someone in a self defense scenarios?
This is The High Road, lots of members carry guns for defense. You get shot, and you're permanently damaged. What's with all the crying over a can of RAID?
I'll tell you all one thing. If I have a choice between scrapping somebody or spraying RAID, I'm using the spray. I won't feel a bit of remorse for whatever happens to them as a result of getting a face full of wasp spray. I don't have any remorse for people who have attacked me. None whatsoever. Fight back, and fight back hard.
I carry pepper spray because it's so easy to have it handy. But make no mistake-If I've got a can of RAID, I'll use it.
someone who is in fact attacking you, with the intent of doing you serious bodily harm or killing you and you're in imminent danger, you've got every right to shoot
Just because you are not a cop doesn't mean that you can shoot someone who is just pushing you around.
As you browse the Internet, you will find that various brands of defense sprays have different lengths of time for their shelf life (expiration dates). It can get confusing. Water-based units may have the potential for a longer life than solvent-based formulas because of the gaskets and solvents that are used, but in general, all of the products experience the same effects of time, and that is in the depletion of the propellant—the stuff that gets the formula out of the canister.
Fact is, all aerosol products start losing propellant as soon as they are filled, albeit very, very slowly. Ultimately, the formula remains effective, but you just can't get it out of the can. Who hasn’t tried to use a can of spray paint, only to find it did not discharge? This same thing happens with defense sprays, only if you need to use the defense spray, it is probably much more important than using the spray paint! Whereas many companies put “expiration” dates on their canisters, FOX LABS shows a "birth" or “manufacture” date. This date is normally printed by month, day, and year (012508, for example, would be for January 25, 2008). It is burned into the canister and is located above the label and below the top on small units. One-pound units have a label affixed to the bottom of the canister. We think, and our customers have always concurred, that it is better to know how old your canister really is, rather than just when to replace it.
We warranty our units for three years from the date they are made, resulting in what is called a three-year total life. However, we recommend replacing a unit at two years from the “time of purchase" or after using it to protect oneself. We find many customers keep track of this date by simply taking a permanent marker and writing a month and year on the bottom of their canister. So, for example, if you bought a unit in June of 2008, you would write 06/10 on the bottom of the unit, and that is your personal expiration date.
Could we state our shelf life is 4 or 5 years? Certainly, but we do not want you to risk only getting a short burst, if anything at all, when you are expecting to have enough formula to hit an attacker. Just because a company says 4 or 5 years doesn’t mean their product is really going to perform as you hope it will for that amount of time. It only means that you are taking a big risk with your safety. This is simply just one more thing that sets FOX LABS apart from other brands. It is our philosophy that it is better to have you replace a unit sooner, rather than later, since it provides a better opportunity for the unit to perform the way you hope and expect it should if you ever have a need to use it.