Penetration my friend, penetration.
Well, according to Brass Fetcher Speer 158gr Gold Dot penetrates 13.5" and Federal 36gr Champion PLHP penetrates 13.9". Which would you rather carry?
Penetration my friend, penetration.
Any fmj 380 or 32 will give plenty of penetration, but I'm really talking about "energy transfer" and that's my fault for not being more specific.Energy of the round is totally relevant.
Show me a round that can offer adequate penetration with no energy.
Jaymo said:At what ranges were they shot with the 7.62 NATO rounds? That makes a difference. As do adrenaline and drug use.
If handgun energy doesn't matter, then the .25 acp is a great service round.
I'm not saying it's the be all, end all of stopping power, but it does matter. Especially with expanding ammo.
The reality is, stopping failures can occur with any and all common small arms projectiles. There are a lot of reasons they can occur.
Bottom line is, we all need to carry a 12 gauge shotgun for SD.
Too bad it's not practical.
56hawk said:Yes, that is a common problem with FMJ bullets. The wound cavity is very small until the bullet starts to tumble. The results would have likey been very different with hollowpoint bullets.
I was perhaps again not descriptive enough. By hits, I meant several rounds of a burst to which the target suffered massive trauma. Organs needed to survive were done significant damage judging by placement. I'm not sure how a hollow point bullet at significantly less energy is going to suddenly provide a stronger stop than a series of rifle rounds at high energy even in a FMJ configuration. The target did expire after a short time, but more rounds were fired back our way in that time period.
http://www.frfrogspad.com/terminal.htm
Incidentally, round or pointed nose, non-expanding bullets tend to push tissue aside rather than crush it, and the permanent cavity for a non-tumbling bullet of these designs usually runs about 65 -70 percent of the diameter of the projectile. Non-expanding heavy jacketed or monolithic (solid metal) projectiles with large metplates yield permanent cavities of between 70 and 80 percent of the diameter of the projectile (and the large metplats helps them to penetrate in a straight path rather than veer off. ) The very blunt and often sharp-edged shape of an expanded projectile can yield a a permanent cavity of between 80 - 90+ percent of the expanded projectile's diameter.
Well, if the energy of the round is not relevant then why is a 357 more effective than a 22?
For me the standard pressure 147 just does not have the KE to cause expansion to provide devastating wound volumes.
Well, if the energy of the round is not relevant then why is a 357 more effective than a 22?
Well, obviously it matters. A bullet with 0 energy would be worthless.
Energy is very important in rifles!! You would not take a 22 to kill a bear!Transfer of energy, especially with lower calibers, is important.
For rifle calibers, they are overkill so it's probably not as important in my view.
But for pistols, which are really undersuited for immediate results, energy dump is very important.
the 158 G D any time over the 36gr ! For the 158 will do more body damage and you will bled out faster and it will have more knock down powder! Why did the navy have large guns on battle ships? Be caws it did a lot more damage than a 5in did! The larger the bullet the more damage it does that is why tanks have large gun and longer barrels!Well, according to Brass Fetcher Speer 158gr Gold Dot penetrates 13.5" and Federal 36gr Champion PLHP penetrates 13.9". Which would you rather carry?
"knockdown power"! You have been watching too many movies. Nothing, nothing in a handgun caliber will knock someone down and that is pretty much true of rifle calibers too.the 158 G D any time over the 36gr ! For the 158 will do more body damage and you will bled out faster and it will have more knock down powder! Why did the navy have large guns on battle ships? Be caws it did a lot more damage than a 5in did! The larger the bullet the more damage it does that is why tanks have large gun and longer barrels!