Dogs for Homedefense?

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>Smart, loyal, fun... and a bit of a smart@ss.<
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Oh! yes...

Dogs are smarter than most people realize, and aware of more than you can believe. My Collies are smart enough to play dumb, and their daily game is in seeing if they can outsmart me...and sometimes they win.

The reason that I have 12 dogs? Because I can't handle 13.:rolleyes:
 
U.S.SFC_RET said:
Got a Shepherd, does the job of a early warning system. That's all I want in a dog. Teaching her to count, the only problem is I can't get her to go past #1..

If you think dogs can't count, put three of her favorite doggie treats in your pocket and then give her only two. :neener:


We have a beagle, great early warning device. Barks at everything that comes within 150 ft of the house. I agree, that's all I'm looking for early warning, but I imagine that he'd be hell for leather in a fight.
 
I had a K-9 trained German Shepherd & use it daily while on patrol. You train with these dogs and they do amazing things but Armed Bear and 1911 are right. YOU DON'T want one of these dogs for a home dog.

Then you got a dog that was poorly trained, or more likely a very poor temperment.

I've owned, bred and trained German Shepherds for many years (used to compete in Schutzhund Sport), and trained with many trainers from all over the states, as well and Germany and other parts of Europe.

I've had many people (especially after seeing my dogs "in action", while training) what it would cost for a trained "personal protection dog". I tell them to let me help find the right dog---no training required. If you have a dog with the right temperment (and intelligence, which is usually a given with a GSD) they will behave quite well in "social" situations, as well as when strangers are "allowed" into the house. However, upon any threat to a family member, in or out of the house---well, its gonna get ugly.

My most prized dog (who died a few months back), was titled in Schutzhund Sport, as well as AKC obedience (including the "Good Citizen Award") by the time he was 2 years old. He was around thousands of people and other dogs at the various show we went to, including children that would pull his ears and tail and get right in his face. This dog would NOT react to any of this. However, if someone threatened my kids or me, or my girlfriend, they would be in SERIOUS trouble (he was a bit big for a GSD, like 125 lbs. and he was skinny!)

Case in point: my kids were playing in the front yard one day, and a "stranger" (just someone from the neighborhood walking by, I think) came into the yard and was talking to them(the dog was trained to stay within the limits of the yard, even though there was no fence)...I was in another room when I heard a horrendous crash....It was my dog putting his head through the front window. He took issue with someone getting a bit to close to "his" children.

Case in point #2: When I used to compete with this dog, my GF/children would have to go "hide" so he wouldn't be TOO distracted, while he was working. You see, if they were around, he HAD TO keep an eye on them to make sure they were safe. If you wanted to make him really nervous and schizoid, go to a park and have one kid go in one direction and the others in another direction, and then set off in your own direction. You could literally see the stress in the dog , because he couldn't keep track of all "his people".

So my vote would definitely be a GSD (not that there aren't other good dogs/breeds)...but they'll do what you want them to with little or no training...Its just genetically engineered into their makeup.

I help found a local rescue group for GSDs(although we've rescued dogs from as far away as Texas)...You might contact them...They have had some extremely nice dogs go through the program...And the President is my ex-girlfriend, so she knows how to judge their temperment (although she'll sometimes call me, for an evaluation, in special circumstances)

Their website is www.brightstargsd.org
 
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dfaugh wrote:

> you have a dog with the right temperment (and intelligence, which is usually a given with a GSD) they will behave quite well in "social" situations, as well as when strangers are "allowed" into the house. However, upon any threat to a family member, in or out of the house---well, its gonna get ugly.<
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Yessir. You know your German Shepherds. Same with Collies. As long as I allow you in the house, you're usually their buddy. Don't try it without me though...
 
Another point of info is that yor dog will probably act different with different parts of the family.

I adopted a Malinois to reinforce my love-everyone Border Collie. When I'm home and someone comes to the door they will both go and stand by it to see who it is; no noise is made. My girlfriend house-sits for me when I'm out of town and she said they bark when she's there and someone comes up.
 
I just got an 8 week old yellow/black lab mix a couple of weeks ago. First pup I've had in 16 years. I'd forgotten how...active they are and I swear she pees more than she drinks. I'm havin' a helluva time house training her.
She's gonna be a great dog.:)

Biker
 
My perfect watch dog is brood of little yapping Chihuahuas, they'll wake me for sure and if I need to shoot I know the dogs aint gettin in my line of sight. Big dogs are only good as protectors against REAL criminals if they are trained.
 
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a good defense, is one thats layered, and responsive to each other....a dogs bark, is only to let you know, it time to get up to see whats going on !
 
best dog for home defense???

One that barks.

Beyond that, a dog you will love and play with and care for. They're not alarm systems, they're living animals who adore their humans and who protect them BECAUSE they are attached to them.

You want a dog ready to die for you, give it lots of love and affection and training in good citizenship (not attacking) and it'll take care of you if need be.

We have Irish terriers, and in the past have had a German Shepherd Dog and a Doberman. Any of them would have given their lives for us. Gracie, the GSD, was a very intimidating presence physically, although she was a total sweetheart. We used to live in Houston '91-'93 not too far from Acres Homes and bums from the highway would come and knock on our door. I'd greet them at the door holding Gracie by the collar, and her having been barking and having that "just try it" look in her eye sent all of them away REAL quick. :D But the Irish do the same, and they're only 18 inches at the shoulder (about the size of a wire fox terrier).

It's the noise, first of all, and then if things get really ugly, it's the bond they have with you that makes them home defense dogs. Not size, not breed.

Springmom
 
Biker: Are you kennel training her at the same time? It makes potty training MUCH easier I've found.

As for the original intent of the thread:

Can any of you knowledgable types tell me how aggresive my german shorthairs are inclined to be? Right now they want to be "friends with everyone", which is fine outside the house.

But: How are thier defend my territory and 6th sense instincts? You know, bump in the night type stuff. Will they hit the switch at 0 dark thirty? Or are they more likely to go lick the BG to death?
 
Ben...

No, I've never used kennels. I've also never had a pup this young. My youngest prior to Taarna was 4 months as I recall.

Biker
 
Being in a service business I run into all kinds of dogs. AFAIC, the best are those that start to fuss when they hear footsteps near the house, then cease and desist when called off by the owner/pack leader. Having a poorly trained animal that continues to yap/carry on after having been called off and the visitor has entered the premises is just plain rude.
 
I had two family members that happened to be German shorthairs..top drawer dogs, from love to loyality, very very smart, they love new data, and were always at my side, threw thick and thin...@
run plus 100%..you choose a great dog, now its up to you....to be a good leader.
 
+1 on ridgebacks being smart. i had one as a kid that was 50/50 ridgeback and airdale. we lived in the mountains of arizona and when we went out in the woods the dog would run off and bring back elk. the dog knew we liked to watch the elk so it went out and chased em past us so we could see em.

another time she treed a racoon while she was tied to the tree. we have no idea how she did that.
 
How about Great Danes? I know they are just big pushovers, but that's the type of dog I would like to have a couple of. They would be intimidating because they are as big as a small horse, but I wonder if they would be good for home alert.
 
I had a Great Dane growing up. One morning I was asleep in my Grandpas living room and a service man came in to work on something. The Dane quickly told him he was not welcome.

They do have a reputation of being softies but mine got after atleast one person. Health and lifespan are two big drawbacks.
 
Then you had a poorly trained dog. Police working dogs in most departments live with the K9 officer and his family... and continue to do so after they are retired.


I had a K-9 trained German Shepherd & use it daily while on patrol. You train with these dogs and they do amazing things but Armed Bear and 1911 are right. YOU DON'T want one of these dogs for a home dog.
 
We have a Great Dane who's a gentle giant. My two year old has ridden her like a horse for a year and they're so good at it for a while I was looking at saddle options. However, her big bass bark rattles the windows. I'm 6',4" and she's past belly high. Around strangers she's fine if we're also around, but the Fedex guy thinks she's going to break down the fence gate and get him.

I would recommend this breed highly. They're very smart, people and kid friendly. However she's very protective of us and any visitors we introduce her to. Strangers are another matter. I wouldn't like to see what'd be left of anyone breaking into our fenced area without someone she knows accompanying them.

Downside? She's like a drunk defensive lineman in the house. They aren't the most nimble dogs I've seen and almost everytime she's been in the house something was broken. Also, they needs lots of attention. I "wrestle" with her (her favorite thing) and she just might get the best of a smaller person.

OH!! and the best thing. She was around the last time I trained a Lab to retrieve and she can as well. Another of her favorite things is chasing tennis balls by jumping in a fair sized river where we have a cabin. If I can find a way to camo the giant, she just may go duck hunting with me this season.
 
Biker: Get a kennel. You don't have to have them locked up all the time, but when you need them locked up it's a good thing to have.

Start this way: Right after feeding time put her in the kennel. Within about 15 minutes she'll need to go. Get her to the bathroom area outside immediately. After a few days of this she'll start associating outside with the bathroom. CONSISTENCY is THE key here.

Also: At her age, no matter how bad you want to, DO NOT yell at or strike her when she has an accident. She's way too young to understand WHY she's in trouble. All she'll learn is to fear you.

It's not mean, it's a security blanket for the dog. It's his/her home, and dogs, by instinct don't crap in thier house. My dogs(at only 9 weeks) will go to the door and whine about 95% of the time already. The only time they don't is when they are playing and forget about pottying until it's too late.

We brought them home at 5 weeks(a little early, but thier mother had died in an accident). At first we had to get up with them 4-5 times per night to get them outside to the bathroom area. At that age thier internals just flat lack the capacity to hold it that long. Now, at 9 weeks, they sleep all night, but they do need to go out very first thing in the morning.

Sorry for the sub-topic drift.
 
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German Shepard, loyal, good size, intelligent. So far shes been the best dog I ever owned. Also being 105lbs dont hurt. I think of it this way. I sleep upstairs, the dog downstairs. If somebody comes in they need to get past the dog first, plus the barking will wake me up.
 
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