Double barrel or Pump

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There are a lot of folks who stand a good chance of short stroking under high stress and they may be better off with a double.
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Good point and goes back to my former post in this debate which was...

Either one works. The best HD shotgun is the one you practiced with enough to run it with your eyes closed. Running an unfamiliar gun at night under stress would not be an ideal situation regardless of how many shots you have. Choose a shotgun that YOU handle easily and practice with often. The bad guy won't know which kind of shotgun the buck pellets in his flesh came from if you do your part right. Good Luck!
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Hello friends and neighbors // I choose pump with a butt cuff of slugs.

The SXS gives you a great first shot choice, say 00 in one barrel and slug in the other. (If you can choose which barrel to fire)
The main con IMHO with the SXS is where to keep your reloads. My Express holds 7 and my Wingmaster holds 8 plus the butt cuff.
 
Grunt, I haven't bought a shotgun yet, but I am leaning towards the sxs because of the size. I think it would be easier to manuver in a house with the shorter verson like the stage coach.

Plus, its a lot like a revolver in reliability. Pull trigger and gun goes boom.

Another factor I'm concern with is arthritis.. not to bad yet but bad enough I've replaced my pistols with revolvers...all except one...I can't bare to part with my Kel-tek 3AT.

So I think I'm going to go with the sxs...

Thanks for everyones in put....
 
...I'd suggest if arthritis is serious that you go with 20 ga. with buckshot or slugs...a lot less recoil and still powerful enough to stop the threat....
 
OK to Keep a Pump Shotgun Loaded?

I have a Mosseberg .12 Ga. Persuader.

Does it damage the springs to keep it loaded?

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I keep a hammerless coach gun cocked and locked. Why not? I hunt with it that way. I've got it where if it were to discharge, it'd be into the wall. I've been hunting with doubles since 1971 and never had an issue.

Pumps have more capacity if you're a poor shot.

Coach guns are more compact and, at least for me, easier to use in confined spaces and quick to the shoulder. I do have a butt cuff with five rounds on it for reloads just in case a get attacked by a zombie motorcycle gang.
 
I have a Mosseberg .12 Ga. Persuader.

Does it damage the springs to keep it loaded?

Thanks
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The magazine springs on mossbergs are pretty poor, anyway. Mine's a little limp, but feeds fine. It's a hunting gun, though. Wolf, I believe, makes a stronger one that I'd get for a self defense shotgun.

I've never had a problem leaving the gun cocked in storage between seasons, unloaded, of course. It's 20 years old and still killin' ducks.
 
The consensus from metallurgical engineers is that constant compression is not bad on springs made from modern steel. Cycling over and over from compression to extension does wear them out, however. Think about a car. Do its springs go bad from sitting around under constant compression? I think the main concern in shotguns is that the shells might slightly deform from constant compression, causing feeding problems, so you might want to rotate them with fresh ones every once in a while.
 
I have a stoked 870 two steps from the bed, I figure the two big loud sissy dogs and the bedside 1911 are going to get me those steps. I also have a shorty single shot with a buttcuff of 00 stashed nearby. However, I always keep my eyes open for the right deal on a coach double to round out an HD trio.
 
The only advantage to a pump is more immediate shots, usually about 3 or 4 times the number before reload.

However there ARE advantages to a SxS.
1. Near zero chance for mechanical failure. If there is a mechanical failure, you have another barrel immediately available. There is a greater chance, albeit still slim, that a pump (or greater chance for semi-auto) to mechanically bind, fail to feed or eject and cause a stopage.

2. Short, light, easy to maneuver.

3. You could load one barrel with slug, the other with buckshot. You have the immediate use of either or both shells.

4. If practiced, reloads could be quick.

5. Maximum firepower possible! Give em both barrels! Big enough threat may warrant both barrels, followed by dropping the weapon and drawing your backup immediately.
 
...I'd suggest if arthritis is serious that you go with 20 ga. with buckshot or slugs...a lot less recoil and still powerful enough to stop the threat....
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I'm not particularly recoil sensitive, but my fathers 20" 12 ga coach gun has absolutely hellacious recoil. To me anyway. When ever I do shoot it, I usually do so from the hip.

If I were getting a 20" SxS, I think I'd give serious consideration to a 20 ga for this reason.
 
I'm not particularly recoil sensitive, but my fathers 20" 12 ga coach gun has absolutely hellacious recoil.
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Have you tried Aguila mini shells in it? They have much less recoil than standard 2.75" shells. You might want to see how they pattern in it.

Note: the velocity listed on that page is incorrect. It's 366 meters/sec, not ft/sec.
 
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Get a stoeger double defender and a UTG light with intergral M1913 mount. Cheap/reliable/short/light/quick It's perfect.
 
...forgot the Mini-shells...have my 1200 pump loaded with them...turn a 5-shotmagazine into an 8-shot magazine...plenty of power for HD...but the 1200's the only pump I've found that they'd feed reliably in...the ad says 1300 but bought a new one and would not feed...then the importer said it requires some modification...an old Ted Williams model 200 is the same as the 1200 and they are easily found...
 
Think about a car. Do its springs go bad from sitting around under constant compression?
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Yes. Fortunately, most cars don't spend their entire lives loaded to capacity. Sitting without occupants or payload only compresses the springs minimally.
 
...and I'm pretty damn sure *nobody* has *ever* recommended a SxS as superior to a pump for HD.
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Without personally getting entangled in the debate, I would note that such a recommendation is not altogether unheard of.

A lady of our acquaintance, who lives alone, has asked us what sort of instrument is best for house defense in her case. To me the answer is easy: The "Lupara," a double-barreled 12-gauge shotgun with exposed hammers and short barrels. I understand the term Lupara is Sicilian and means approximately "wolf killer." Such a piece is enormously authoritative, it is easy to use, it requires minimal training in its management, and it may be left loaded and uncocked indefinitely on the closet shelf. The only precaution is to seal the muzzles with scotch tape or cotton wool to avoid the building of nests in the barrels by little varmints.

Such items are available from Rossi and Baikal, though you may have to hunt around for them at gun shows. Usually they are very reasonable in price.
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That was Jeff Cooper in 1994. I heard he knew a thing or two about such matters.
 
I want a single trigger stoeger coach gun with barrels about 10-12"s. That'd be a helluva truck gun.

http://www.doubleshotguns.com/ugarUC3.htm

Ok so actually a SxS with ejectors is tough to find. It's undesirable in the field where most SxS's are used. Even the coach gun just has extractors. I don't remember mine kicking them out. Now a H&R Pardner will sling a empty hull into the next county. lol It's a fun game to see if you can aim 'em at folks.
 
Trying to say what will be enough is always folly.

You never know what you will face till it happens.

Me I prepare for the worst. (Shtf total financial collapse). Anything less is infinatly more likely but prepare for the worst and you will be ready for the rest.
 
If you've got to depend upon 1 SG for HD go for the pump.
Don't care which brand you select. That boils down to what "FITS" you personally, best. There's plenty of great shotguns out there I'm certain you'll find one that feels great. But the bottom line is that, at 3:00AM when someone's breaking in, I want more than two rounds at my disposal. What if it's 2 or more burglars, they do work in teams you know. Call me insecure but the pump wins. By the way I have had someone break into an apartment I was living in a few years ago. Thank GOD I did not have to shoot him. Sure he was a drugged out, low life that would have shot me in a NY minute. But taking a life is something I never want to do. It's one of the most serious actions a human being can take and I feel that if there's anything one can do to keep from shooting a human, they should.
I guess the only thing I would regret more than having to shoot a human being, is not having shot one that harmed my family. Go for the pump. Use the pump. Get familiar with that pump and when you use it be sure that it feels like a third arm. Natural and part of you.
 
I have avoided this one but I would like to say SxS offers Tad more reliability. SxS or single shot it comes down to practice.
 
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