DRACO AK pistol trunk mount

[twisterx44]

Not sure this is the right place for this thread or not, but this seems like the best one.

I'm going out on a limb and showing pictures. I do have a video but I am hesitant to show it because a) it has my license plate in the video (not sure how dangerous that really is), but also, because the video was made specifically for an Army buddy of mine who is deployed to Afghanistan, the are some cuss words and an inside joke or two in the video. If you guys really want to see in detail how the weapon is secured and such, I suppose I could post the link. The video is not searchable on youtube.

What do you guys think? It is cable-locked through the action, and well hidden. I have a tennis racket case it fits inside too.

I think this is a pretty nifty way of storing my AK pistol in my trunk, and having it pretty damn secure too.

If you can't tell from the pictures, the AK is strapped, quite securely, to the "roof" of my trunk, so its out of view of you are standing at normal height or even if you bend to grab a grocery bag out of the trunk. But if you crouch/kneel, and look up into the trunk, you will see the AK strapped in, action slightly open to accomodate my masterlock, which is then security-cabled to a metal anchor in my trunk. It isn't going anywhere, unless somebody has heavy duty bolt-cutters. My trunk is also pretty secure on its as well.

Any questions/feedback?


EDIT:

I edited the youtube video so that my plates aren't in the video anymore. However, it was still tailored to somebody who had seen my pistol safe (also in my trunk), and I say something like "you've seen this before", so pardon my seemingly strange narration. Also pardon my bad language - I blame the Army. Anyway, its poorly shot but it does show how its mounted a bit better. Feedback welcomed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcdlLFnixFM



-Twisterx44

 

[wrc]

Neat! If you ever get worried about really short people seeing it, some velcro and cheap fabric will do the trick.

You did such a good job with the rubber mounting (serious cable ties?), going so far as to screw it into the upper trunk panel. Combined with a u-lock through the action and a sturdy piece of trunk, that's as secure as some sort of v-line or stack-on case bolted in the same way.

If it were me, I'd probably bolt in a slimline rifle cabinet (up on the top deck of the trunk), but in the end it would just conceal the firearm a little better. A good cable with a good lock is probably better than the 12-18ga steel the lockboxes are made of.

Heck, one more giant rubber cable tie and you could secure a full rifle over bumpy roads.

 

[twisterx44]

I thought about that...I may order one more clamp so I could throw the AR15 back there if I felt like it...but honestly, once I get the folding stock on the AK, I think it will stay there. Did you see the video tour thing?

 

[nalioth]

Since we're in S&T, how accessible is it?

Doesn't sound like it's too accessible for you if you need it, what with being locked twice. . .


If you're just showing off a 2000 pound gun case, BRAVO!

 

[twisterx44]

You didn't exactly read my post, did you nalioth?

I have 1-2 handguns on my person. If that isn't going to be enough, for example you've got a shooter or maybe 2 shooters in a mall with long guns, the AK can be accessed in 30 seconds from me sitting in the drivers seat, vehicle running, to me with a loaded AK in my hands. It's locked once, and I'd say 30 seconds with two handguns on me is plenty accessible.

 

[memphisjim]

pretty cool

 

[nalioth]

You didn't exactly read my post, did you nalioth?

I have 1-2 handguns on my person. If that isn't going to be enough, for example you've got a shooter or maybe 2 shooters in a mall with long guns, the AK can be accessed in 30 seconds from me sitting in the drivers seat, vehicle running, to me with a loaded AK in my hands. It's locked once, and I'd say 30 seconds with two handguns on me is plenty accessible.

Perhaps you should read your own post - it says nothing about any handguns you may carry or how easy it is to release the AK from its double-locked mount.

 

[ObsidianOne]

Very cool.
What is it's purpose though? Just for the coolness factor? Seems like the cable would make a fumble to get it out if it was needed.

 

[NMGonzo]

I want a Draco but I want to buy it used.

NEAT toy.

Explaining the cops having that open carry is a whole nother mater.

 

[Fred Fuller]

Any questions/feedback?

Just don't forget

P R N D L

in the process, when that might be a more appropriate response...

lpl

 

[hso]

No reasonable person is going to be dealing with "a shooter or maybe 2 shooters in a mall with long guns" by going out to their car and getting another gun unless they're LE or Security, so let's dispense with that silly idea. It isn't going to happen. If you're in a mall and are faced with that threat you're going to use what is on you at that moment to allow you to break contact and move to cover or E&E. Alternately, you're going to use what's on you to put pressure on the violent criminals so you and others can make it to cover and E&E. There is the rare case in which you may suppress and block the movement of the criminals while reporting to police their location and other information. No one leaves the mall and goes back in. That's just movie fantasy.

OTOH, having lived in rural/suburban settings where the memory of shotgun or rifle (or both) in a rack in the rear window of a pickup truck is fresh I see your setup as a modern version of those. I'm not sure how useful from a self defense standpoint it might be considering the rational response to a threat while you're sitting in an operational vehicle is to drive out of the situation or use an immediately accessible firearm like your handgun. I do know 2 people that couldn't drive out of the situation and accessed long arms from behind a seat/trunk because they weren't carrying a handgun at the time so I acknowledge there is a remote possibility of a valid self defense use.

I do like that you've secured the Draco both from shifting and theft. I caution you in having too much faith in your padlock, but it will keep the less determined thief from making off with the Draco. As others have said, I'd advise some sort of camouflage to conceal your setup to keep thieves from wanting to take the time to get the Draco loose.

I'd also appreciate a posting of a picture of the pistol. It looks like you've made some interesting mods to it.

 

[lead slinger]

Two things I would changed 1st carpet in the tunic is easy to move around run the cable on the the under side of the carpet. 2nd same thing the you would be surprise how easy the decklid lifts off some cars you need to take the side pillars off to get get the cover off but off you did that would wouldn't need a tee shrir back there to cover the bolts. I am glad to see the lock running though the gun the hole time I was thinking it would be loud but I would just shot the other end of the master look so props on that all and all you did a good job you need to just hide it alittle better

 

[twisterx44]

Thanks for the feedback. You can see the weapon pretty clearly in the video. I don't really have any good pictures of it, but once I get my Form 1 application back (should be about 2 more months), and get my ACE folding stock on it, there will be pictures galore.

I probably should have mentioned I am LE, so running back in is an option and it will happen. The time it takes from the beginning of the shooting to law enforcement going INTO a building that has an active shooter is a lot longer than me (possibly) fighting my way to my vehicle for a long gun and going back in to occupy his attention/put him down until on duty officers arrive, assess, gear up, and enter.

 

[PoserHoser]

Thats freaking awesome! I suggest not locking and only concealing it with fabric.
Here's a scenario: You are walking back to your car late at night in an alley you notice to shady characters following you. So you casually pop the trunk and somebody says give me your money. You pull the draco out and ta da they're scared <deleted>!

 

[nalioth]

Thats freaking awesome! I suggest not locking and only concealing it with fabric.
Here's a scenario: You are walking back to your car late at night in an alley you notice to shady characters following you. So you casually pop the trunk and somebody says give me your money. You pull the draco out and ta da they're scared <deleted>less!

Perhaps you forgot that the Draco is locked twice.

Some of us are still waiting on the answer to our questions (how accessible is it, if it should be needed?)

 

[twisterx44]

@PoserHoser:

I think you were joking, but if not: If somebody just wanted my money, I'd give it to them. Not worth brandishing a firearm over my wallet. If they were armed, a handgun on my person would be much faster and more justified. The Draco is really not for defending myself under "normal" circumstances.

 

[PoserHoser]

Im just messin but really love the idea for a survival defense weapon say if you got in a car accident in he middle of nowhere

 

[THE MACHINIST]

id take the sling off, because that would get caught in something in at the worst moment
if someone wants to steal something theyll find a way no matter what, i have a draco
it has fierce muzzle blast and is as accurate as a full size ak, on the plus side it will penetrate just about all body armour and steel plate......nice set up but if you get carjacked your not in the trunk..cool though

 

[ultradoc]

That is cool. My suggestion would be to maybe coat the pad lock [duct tape?] so it doesn't scar the weapon.

 

[kayak-man]

How accessable is it? If you're an LEO, you may have a higher chance of needing it than the average joe, and it might be worth mounting it in such a way that it is quick to deploy.

Also, I'm trying to see where in your original post you mentioned carrying two handguns.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson

 

[smince]

I probably should have mentioned I am LE, so running back in is an option and it will happen. The time it takes from the beginning of the shooting to law enforcement going INTO a building that has an active shooter is a lot longer than me (possibly) fighting my way to my vehicle for a long gun and going back in to occupy his attention/put him down until on duty officers arrive, assess, gear up, and enter.

Even as a trained LEO, I'm skeptical about being able to get from the mall to your car and back in time to be of much use.

Better to answer the problem with the gun(s) you have on you at the time.

And the Draco is hardly a 'long gun'. Carrying something with a stock isn't going to be any more difficult in your trunk safe (even before your Form 1 gets approved).

 

[twisterx44]

Pad lock is coating in tape to prevent scratching. So far, that is working.

I can access it in under 30 seconds when sitting in the drivers seat, vehicle running. Its closer to 25 seconds or less if I am out of the vehicle to start.

As for hardly being a long gun, the 7.62 X 39 doesn't lose much of its "punch" with a barrel reduction from 16 to 12". In reference to a handgun, a 7.62 X 39 coming out of even a 12" barrel, and especially with a stock, is easily accurate for center mass shots at 100 yards. I would never take a shot further than that in a nightmare scenario like some of the described ones. I sometimes have the AR in there instead though, however.

I love how I knew, before posting pics/vids of my project, that there would be at least one, if not more than one mall ninja critiquing my method of mounting/philosophy of use. Get out there and do something yourself that is superior. I think it is sad that I knew there would be like 75% of "that's pretty cool, here is my suggestion for improvement", and 25% of mild "flaming", or "that's not practical, your wrong about ________, and I know what I am talking about because ______."

Pat on the back! This post was just to share my project since before I started mine there were a few on other forums that helped spark ideas. I was just trying to be productive and "share with the group."

 

[smince]

As for hardly being a long gun, the 7.62 X 39 doesn't lose much of its "punch" with a barrel reduction from 16 to 12". In reference to a handgun, a 7.62 X 39 coming out of even a 12" barrel, and especially with a stock, is easily accurate for center mass shots at 100 yards. I would never take a shot further than that in a nightmare scenario like some of the described ones. I sometimes have the AR in there instead though, however.

I won't argue the ballistics of the ComBloc round. I like it very much myself.

My main point was that you could carry a better gun than a stock-less AK in the same space. If you have the stock added, it is a good package and infinitely more usable/practical than a 5lb 'handgun'. 4 points of solid contact (cheek, shoulder, and both hands) is more stable than just two hands and a tight sling.

 

[kayak-man]

30 seconds? Thats not shabby, not shabby at all.

I'm assuming this is your personal vehicle. Is there a reason why you chose to put it in the trunk instead of someplace that you can get to it without having to exit the vehicle?

Just a few thoughts:

it looks like your car has one of those hatch-door things in the rear seat so you can access the trunk from inside, have you tried getting to the Draco via the hatch? I'm just wondering how easy it would be to get to if for some reason you had a bunch of stuff crammed in your trunk.

Also, have you figured out magazine storage?

Finaly, and this is mostly curiosity, how do you load the magazines? I got the impression that this is mostly for when things go down hill really fast, such as a BG with a vest. do you use HP or FMJ loads?

Overall, its a pretty neat set up, and I might try and put something like it in my volvo.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson

 

[uspJ]

Pretty cool. I have thought about doing something similar myself. Thanks for posting pics of how you did it. I have a Draco and have toyed with the idea of keeping it in my car as an emergency or worst case scenario weapon. The trunk of a car may not be the most ideal place to have to access a weapon from but I have not seen another method that offers the protection and is as concealable.