Enough gun, definition.....

[saturno_v]

Saturno,

I am not in conflict with your statements. The 06 with the right bullets is a fully capable bear round though it should be considered a minimum. BTW that was Phil Shoemaker who made the comment about the .30/06 and accuracy.

For every big bear killed with a .30/06 post I'm sure we can find one of a big bear killed with a .375 or .338 or 8mm Rem Mag or whatever. It comes down to personal preference and my preference has been developed from having been in the Jesse bush with agitated and aggressive elephants and having spent my fair share of time cruising the alders in big bear country.

The .30/06 is a great round I carry one often. The last elk I killed with a . 30/06 took a 180 gr TSX through the shoulders with a clean exit and it fell over dead in about 3 seconds it was at 233 yards. It wouldn't have died any quicker if it had been shot with a .600NE. My op explains my thoughts on the subject pretty well I thought. If you want to hunt big and nasty stuff with a .30/06 get after it. Have fun take lots of pictures post them here and write a good story.

I agree 100% and it is exactly what I was saying as well.

No I'm not planning to hunt nasty creatures that bite back no matter the gun.....I'm too chicken!

 

[BigBore44]

H&H,
I too agree that you should use what you want. If you want to hunt impala with a .577 I don't care. It's your rifle, your money. Lots of people hunt elk and even moose with a .243. Watched an 11 year old girl kill a +400" bull elk with a .243 at I believe 250 yards. But, it was a great shot with a well constructed bullet. It wasn't luck.

Your opinions are your opinions. And you aren't wrong. They differ from some. The same for others. Would I take my '06 to Africa for cats? If I had any desire to hunt cats (I don't) I would be completely confident in a one shot one kill scenario with it. Would I take it for Dugga boys or elephant? No. Even though they have been taken with that round many times. But I also wouldn't hunt elephant.

I'm not saying anything bigger is a waste. I don't believe that. I'm saying that what were once "perfectly adequate" and "proven performers" are now considered by some as bare minimum. Even though advancement in the last 20 years of bullet construction and performance has improved tremendously.

So what does that say about how and why our way of thinking has changed?

 

[ZeroJunk]

I elk hunt with a 280 most of the time. But, I don't believe I can get away with taking some shots that I might take with 338 Win. So, I don't take them.


If you are in a situation where a big lion or grizzly gets after you and you have a 30/06 and a 375 H&H laying there which one are you going to pick up ? Seriously.

 

[saturno_v]

If you are in a situation where a big lion or grizzly gets after you and you have a 30/06 and a 375 H&H laying there which one are you going to pick up ? Seriously.

I would pick the one I shoot the best...because in a charge situation we are talking about very short distances (100 yards or less) and the right 30-06 load would penetrate a lion brisket to butt.....so it doesn't really matter....

At over 300 yards hunting a lion (just a theoretical example, dangeous game should not be hunted at extreme distances, I'm just trying to make a point) would I pick a 30-06 or a 378 Weatherby?? The latter, assuming I can shoot it right....

 

[ZeroJunk]

So, you are basically saying it doesn't matter whether you have wreck with a Volkswagon Beetle or a Suburban.

 

[Art Eatman]

This has gone into circular mode, round and round and nada nuevo.