areagan - It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the trigger is designed to make the firearm shoot. It also doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to appreciate that human beings make mistakes sometimes place their finger on the trigger when they shouldn't. That is why most semi-automatic pistols have manual safeties.
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swinokur
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Do you have a cite to prove that most semi autos have safeties?
Glock has a huge market share on semi's and not one of them contains a safety. Sigs don't either. 1911's do but they are not the majority of sem'is. XD's have grip safeties but they can't be included as if the gun is gripped it will fire with no other intervention.
Please provide a cite.
Glock has a huge market share on semi's and not one of them contains a safety. Sigs don't either. 1911's do but they are not the majority of sem'is. XD's have grip safeties but they can't be included as if the gun is gripped it will fire with no other intervention.
Please provide a cite.
swinokur - I will cite to the encyclopedia of common sense. Semi-automatic pistols have been existence since the 1890's. Until Glock introduced the G17 in the 1980's, virtually every major manufacturer of semi-automatic pistols in the world (ie., Mauser, Luger, Browning, Colt, Walther, Smith & Wesson) designed their pistols with a positive manual safety of some type. Many of the designs incorporated both conventional manual safeties and grip safeties. Many of those designs are still inexistence today. It does not take a giant leap of logic to say that there are many more pistols with manual safeties than without. It should be noted that unlike Glock with essentially one cookie-cutter design, many of those manufacturers had multiple models with different designs, all of which incorporated manual safeties.
Incidently, I consider the XD to much safer than a Glock because at least it has a positive safety that reduces the risk of inadvertent discharge.
Incidently, I consider the XD to much safer than a Glock because at least it has a positive safety that reduces the risk of inadvertent discharge.
Revolvers don't need manual safeties because it is very difficult to inadvertently discharge a revolver in double action mode. Unlike the Glock, revolvers generally have a long, hard 10-12 lb. trigger pull, plus you can see the cylinder rotating and the hammer moving rearward.
What does seeing the cylinder rotate have anything to do with safety?
I prefer a Glock over a revolver, personally. When appropriate, a Glock can be carried in condition 3.
A revolver is a pain to make safe, then reload again. You have to deal with 6 loose rounds.
I prefer a Glock over a revolver, personally. When appropriate, a Glock can be carried in condition 3.
A revolver is a pain to make safe, then reload again. You have to deal with 6 loose rounds.
oneounceload
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Especially when the hammer is cocked for a single action shot - my K frame only needs me to ever-so-slightly tense my finger to make the hammer drop - sure is sweet though
Your gun's safety is between your ears, not on the grip, slide or trigger. If you can't be responsible, take up something else.......
GLOOB - Feeling the long, hard trigger pull of a revolver is sense of touch. Seeing the cylinder rotate and the hammer move rearward is sense of sight. When it comes to reducing the risk of inadvertent discharge, the ability of the user to actually see that he is in the process of discharging the weapon may prevent an accident.
bigfatdave
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This crap again?
The inability of some people to comprehend the difference between a passive safety feature and a manual safety device is getting silly. Search for the endless threads on various safety devices and read, this material has all been covered thoroughly right here in the past.
The inability of some people to comprehend the difference between a passive safety feature and a manual safety device is getting silly. Search for the endless threads on various safety devices and read, this material has all been covered thoroughly right here in the past.
The Glock pistol is not even cocked to fire until the trigger is pulled, just like a revolver. Kahr, Kel Tec are the same type of operation unlike the XD and Bryco and S&W that have fully tensioned striker at all times. An understanding of pistol design should be researched before broad brush statements are made. The Sig 226/228 also do not have any safety, only a decocker, and they are used by the United States Navy even to this day. As a matter of interest, the 1911 was decommissioned in 1988 as a military service weapon and the double action/single action Beretta was commissioned as the standard military issue sidearm, small arm.
LOL. Sorry, this just sounds too funny. As if you should be looking at your gun for warning signs in case you are accidentally pulling the trigger ever so slowly. In reality, when someone pulls the trigger "accidentally," it's because they expect a click. They do it because they WANT to see the cylinder move and hammer drop. OR it's because of a hair trigger and poor trigger finger discipline. Glocks do not have anything close to a hair trigger.
I treat a revolver with exactly the same respect as a Glock. My 686 gets a bit more respect, if anything. The skinny trigger guard and grip, the heavy weight, and the muzzle forward balance combine to make the gun more prone to mishandling, IMO. It's almost too much gun and too little grip to handle with just 3 fingers and thumb.
I keep many of my autos loaded in condition 3 in the safe. I keep the revolver unloaded. Condition 3 is safer than any loaded revolver, in case of mishandling or fire.
There are plenty of people who have accidentally shot themselves and other people with revolvers and 1911's well before plastic pistols existed.
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ironhead7544
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The Glock "trigger safety" is intended to keep the pistol from firing when holstering.
Unless you leave your finger in the trigger guard. Or a retaining strap gets snagged in the trigger guard. Or the zipper on your jacket. It hasn't proven very effective for those situations. All of these have happened by the way. Seriously, it's a drop safety. That's all.
That has also happened with just about every gun made. Sloppy re-holstering is the number one cause of AD.
As the great Kalashnikov once said "Is Gun, Not Safe "
Now you don't want to even get into 1911 series 70 mishaps from dropping. That's why there is a 1991 Series 80!
As the great Kalashnikov once said "Is Gun, Not Safe "
Now you don't want to even get into 1911 series 70 mishaps from dropping. That's why there is a 1991 Series 80!
ironhead7544
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Let me rephrase that: The Glock "trigger safety" is intended to keep the holster from snagging the trigger and firing the pistol when holstering.
The Glock pistol is not even cocked until the trigger is pulled. In fact, all three safeties are deactivated when the trigger is pulled. That is how the Glock pistol is designed. Guns should fire when the trigger is pulled, that's the whole idea isn't it.
IMTHDUKE
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I don't own Glocks, but I have a safety on all my guns.
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