How dangerous would a Glock be sans trigger safety?

[JohnKSa]

I gave the branch on a bush example because that is the most common thing that I can think of that could realistically make it into the trigger guard (defending a rural property, hunting, etc.). And a branch would defeat the trigger safety.

A branch that is thick and stiff would likely defeat the trigger safety--assuming it came in contact with it. However, a branch with some flex or give to it would have a tendency to ride the curve of the trigger to the upper portion of the trigger where the trigger safety can not be activated. It's pretty easy to demonstrate this if you have the inclination to do so.

There is nothing stopping anyone from adding the parts that were added to the colt series 80 to make it drop safe to another design. i.e. The firing pin block and the plunger that deactivates it.

The Colt Series 80 is a completely different operating system than the Glock and therefore because of the differences (namely the absence of a relatively heavy trigger bar which can move and defeat the other passive safeties in the gun if it is not locked in place) the two systems require different treatments in terms of the implementation of a drop safety.

The sear is captured by the grip safety and the pin that holds it in place.

A grip safety could be a viable solution for the Glock type system assuming that the design requirements didn't steer the designer away from a grip safety for some reason.

You just have to block the striker/firing pin from hitting the primer.

No, that's only part of the problem. You must also insure that the rest of the operating system of the gun won't deactivate the firing pin/striker safety during events that are reasonably likley to occur.

So having a firing pin block (as Glocks do) is pointless if the trigger bar can move when the gun is dropped and deactivate the firing pin block.

Are you trying to tell me avoiding choosing the better way isn't a mistake?

I'm telling you that the fact that you think there's a better way or prefer a different solution doesn't make the Glock solution a mistake.

I really don't understand why you are fixated on whether the gun is SA, TDA, DAO, or striker fired.

I'm not. But the way the system operates internally is a factor in how the safeties need to be designed. It's not whether it's SA, TDA, or whatever, it has to do with the specifics of the internals and how they interact.

But, I highly doubt gun designers said, "We need to have a trigger safety. Make something with that feature."

I tend to agree. However, it is quite likely that the designers were told things like: "Minimize the number of external controls." "Keep the design as simple as possible." and "Avoid solutions that might compromise the reliability of the gun in reasonably likely scenarios."

A designer given that kind of direction would likely avoid using a grip safety.

But, the companies that imitated the Glock design don't have that excuse.

Well, as you see, the folks who made the XD chose to go a different route and some people prefer their solution. Other makers have chosen to avoid the grip safety solution and those who have taken that approach have nearly all ended up with some sort of trigger safety similar to Glock's solution.

This is the situation that we have with a Glock with the trigger safety disabled.

No, it's not the same situation. It is clearly incorrect to characterize the XD as a "Glock with the trigger safety disabled". It would be more accurate to describe it as a "Glock with the trigger safety disabled and a grip safety added." but that still leaves something to be desired given that the two systems also differ in that the Glock system doesn't fully cock the striker with slide action like the XD system does.

This is an ad hominem. It is also false.

It is neither, it is merely a statement of fact.

It is not true that blocking the firing pin is all that is required and you continue to repeat that statement. If you understood the Glock system you would also understand why it is necessary to lock the trigger bar in place in addition to blocking the firing pin.

 

[Drail]

The problem is not the pistol - it is the fact that far too many people today refuse to consider the responsibility and awareness required if you have a loaded firearm in your hand/holster/waistband/pocket/etc. If someone believes that the design of their firearm somehow makes it "idiotproof" - then they are an idiot. It's a gun. It's dangerous IF you forget that fact for a second.

 

[j1]

Is this a real question or is it a trick question?

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