Extreme Shock ammo has changed its tune

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"The X-Kote C2 micron particles retain themselves in the grain boundaries and asperites of your firearm. It has a non-magnetic, or non-holding influence on Metal particles, gun powder, or gun refuse. "

I'd like to punch the guy who wrote this ridiculous BS right in the throat.
 
However in the interview the president does claim to be able to hunt 400lb wild hogs with a .380acp with one shot or a 9mm with one shot, I find both of these far fetched. He also claims that their .50bmg rounds wont exit a watermelon.
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I thought you said they had changed their tune. :neener: It sounds like the same old baloney. :rolleyes:
 
Someone with money and time do some side-by-side high speed video into gel of a few of their rounds next to other big commercial loads.

Ooo or suggest it to Mythbusters... I bet they'd have the budget, and it's always good television watching gel blocks jump in slo-mo.
 
I asked Massad Ayoob in Glock talk. He does not have any data on the round despite his request to test the rounds.
 
All things being equal (weight and velocity) non-expanding and hollow point bullets make the same size hole!

The difference is the shape of the hole.

Full metal jacket bullets that don't expand make a very long narrow wound channel while expanding bullets make a shallow wide one. The volume of tissue displaced is about the same. The kicker is that a human torso is usually not all that thick and bullets that don't expend all of their energy on the target zip right through leaving a small hole with plenty of energy left. A bullet that will stop within 12” makes a wider hole and is more likely to stop the bad guy than one capable of 3 feet of penetration.
 
I'd like to punch the guy who wrote this ridiculous BS right in the throat.
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Yeah I definitely prefer exploding ninjas to non-holding metallic gun refuse.

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I would never buy ammo from either manufacturer based on their marketing that is trying to get me to buy their ammo.
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Same here! Let the product sell itself not some over-hyped marketing. This fodder just screams mall ninja.
 
On their website they tout their product in part as a hunting round: "No lost game or loss of meat"

Directly below that on the same page it says:
"As the Nytrilium particles hit soft internal organs, they release the last amount of kinetic energy as they dissipate, creating literally thousands of wound channels."
(Note to moderators: I was going to edit the verbiage according to the new forum rules but how can you edit a gem like that? Delete if legally necessary.)

So how do "thousands of wound channels" correlate with "no loss of meat"?
I guess their copywriter should have added that ES ammo is designed to automatically tenderize the meat as you "harvest" it.
 
I find it to be interesting that there aren't really any significant improvements in projectiles. There were great advancements from musket balls up to hollowpoints. Then everything kinda just sputtered out... and things are now discussions on stuff like this. Why can't we really get the round that literally cuts the bad guy in half with one shot. I vote .22LR, btw.

Maybe gunsights that work on the facial recognition software that is standard on cameras today. Little light turns green when it's aimed at an eyeball or something.

The above link to Box O'Truth is a good one. I'm not going to say that they are the end all be all. They have a standard scientific style approach, and they post the results. And are pretty open about the results, whether they are what they expected or not.

And please, no one take this wrong way. I am not advocating shooting convicts or something. The horrid things that the Japanese and German scientist "medical" experiments made some big advancements in medicine. I think that use of forensic data from shootings that have happened should be used for something other than gun control groups or media bias. I just wonder how to get that data.

Think about it. We hear all these stories about "super bullets" or "super calibers". They get used. And no one looks at the data, or at least not the people that would do anything with it. We hear about numbers of guns used from stolen sources, and how many guns go across the border, etc, etc.

Maybe there is a list somewhere, and I just haven't found it. Like... I would be interested to see the casualty reports by percentages from crime data, law enforcement, whatever. x cailber used. y projectile used. Anatomically bland outline. % mortality. Time of day. Locality (I'd be fine with area code). Motivation. Politicians forbid, we use factual data for scientific advancement and un-politicizing guns and separating the gun from gun crime. It's really just crime.

I'm just as concerned about vehicle safety, my power tools, whatever. But it would be really nice to have some raw data. Not statistics. Data. Maybe it is the job that I have. But we extensively, exhaustively test and document everything. If I wanted to know about the mechanical stress performance of a certain piece of equipment, I can check its entire history. I can find out how many others like them have failed and under what conditions. I can make predictions on future performance based on proven past performance. It's just raw data.

But think of the downside? Think how many mall ninjas would never be able be to really get all Gecko45 on anything ever again. Someone starts spouting off about crime rates or calibers and oh, shoot, the data doesn't support your claims. With actual data, facts and trends become obvious. You can't really argue with data. Not statistics, data. You can rationally discuss data, but I like to call those conversations, not arguments.
 
I killed a charging African bull elephant with a single shot from my Raven 25acp. Fortunately, it dropped in its tracks and died on the spot or I would have been forced with the decision to shoot again and endure the recoil and muzzle blast, or to run in fear of my life.
 
I never met a watermelon I didn't like. Perhaps these guys are shooting at cardiac patients with this stuff. Once you start paying more than $2.00 per round, it better have internet access. I want to be able to fly it by remote control to where I want it to go. It's all crap. Shoot it in the head right betwen the eyes, and it dies.
 
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