Fake guns, counterfeit guns, reproductions, etc....

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I was watching a show where the guy had a gun he thought was worth a fortune but it turned out it was a counterfeit...

I've had a few zingers of stories told to me about the history of a gun, but never have I seen an outright fake.

I wouldn't mind having a counterfeit Sharps coffee grinder, at least I wouldn't feel bad about shooting it while getting a caffeine fix:evil:

I wouldn't mind owning a counterfeit gun, so long as I didn't buy it thinking I actually had the real thing...

Does anybody have Annie Oakley's .22? I'd buy it, if the price was right...:D
 
Does anybody have Annie Oakley's .22? I'd buy it, if the price was right...
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No, but I have a couple of period correct Winchester .22 pumps.

I could go down in the basement and whip something up for you later tonight, or tomorrow tops.

If the price was right!

rc
 
I have the Deringer used by John Wilkes Booth at Ford's Theatre. ;) I can't get you the ball though. That's at the Army Medical Museum.
 
NO, that one is a fake.

I have the Lincoln assassination ball in my bullet collection.

I also have the missing 6.5 Carcano bullet they lost during the Congressional JFK investigation.

Make me an offer I can't refuse for one or both and I'll type up some documentation later tonight, or tomorrow tops.

rc
 
You need to come out to Arizona. You would be absolutely flabbergasted at the number of guns here that belonged to various lawmen and outlaws during the wild west period. Some of the better known, and unquestionably genuine ones seem to have been made after the famous owner passed on... :uhoh:

Now if you're in the market I just happen to have... :evil:
 
Hey!

It's everywhere.

Here it's Jessie James pistols, and Well Fargo shotguns.

Can't go to a gun show without seeing one or the other.

I even saw William Quantrells real sword once!!

Unfortunately, it was a steel hilt 1906 Cavalry Sword, and Quantrell was killed in 1865!!

The dang sword would have been worth way more if they hadn't of disfigured it trying to make a early civil war famous name fake sword out of it.

rc
 
I was at a little shop in Kennesaw, GA that had a rusted up LeMat they claimed belonged to Wes Hardin. There was a certificate with it that anyone with a computer could have typed up. I think the asking price was $30k. :banghead:
 
RCmodel, as soon as I can get a fake deringer, would you be willing to trade for the missing carcano bullet? For authenticity, it has to be tested for John's DNA.
 
I was at a little shop in Kennesaw, GA that had a rusted up LeMat they claimed belonged to Wes Hardin. There was a certificate with it that anyone with a computer could have typed up. I think the asking price was $30k.
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That wouldn't be Wildman would it?
 
I have a Pre-64 .270 that was owned by Bob Lee Swagger, and the certificate of Authenticity! :cool:
 
I had a guy come into the shop today saying he had a wells fargo revolver. He thought I was crazy when I told him 99% of them are fake.
 
Actually he could have been right. The Wells Fargo Express Co, lasted into the 20th. Century, and they bought (among others) a lot of Colt Police Positive revolvers. It is quite possible he had a latter-day Wells Fargo handgun rather then one from the frontier era.
 
I bought a "Khyber Pass", handmade Tokarev pistol that appeared very well made, and nicely blued, but would not fire (something was slightly "off"). And from what I have been told, it was better that it did not fire, as the steel quality from that area is questionable. It had many hand stamped markings that looked like rollmarks, in an attempt to counterfeit, but the one that stuck out was "Made As China", instead of "Made in China".
 
BTW, anybody want a dagger that was used to stab Ceasar? I have it displayed alongside a gun used in an attempted murder of Andy Jackson Thankfully that misfired and it's probably because it was made in the Workers' Paradise.
 
A "replica" is different from a counterfeit as long as it isn't marked improperly.

A buddy of mine is a nut for tinkering similar guns into more interesting variants. He took a .22 Stoeger "Luger" and he and the smith made it look like a true Luger as imaginable. All the original markings are in place on the Stoeger, but even at more than a glance it looks like a real Luger, just different. He's done the same thing making Chinese Hunter AKs "into" Valmets and on and on. He doesn't sell them and doesn't change the markings to misrepresent them, but he happily takes a sow's ear and works them into silk purses.
 
Not exactly counterfeit or fake but I am amazed at the number of Lugers and P-38's that came back from WWII and were "taken off a dead German officer". If all the claims were true then Germany lost the war because they didn't have any officers left.
 
Surprisingly, a large number of those Lugers and P38's without import marks WERE taken off German officers by SOMEONE......, just not as often the guy telling the story.
 
I have the very ax used by young George Washington to chop down the cherry tree. It's been in the family for years, and I still use it regularly.

Of course, it's had the handle replaced a few times, and my father put a new head on it some time back.




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Arkansas Paul. Sounds like him. BTW, did you visit the Southern RR and Civil War Museum in Kennesaw? It's near Wildman's.
 
BTW, did you visit the Southern RR and Civil War Museum in Kennesaw?
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I certainly did. We went a couple of years ago. My father had a reunion there. All the Charlie Company guys he was in Nam with gather once a year and my brother and I accompanied him to Atlanta. That's one hell of a group of men. We went through the RR and Civil War Museum with a historian guiding us. Visited a few battlefields as well as a Civil War cemetery. It was awesome!
 
I was never really worried about picking up anything fake or counfiet until I started looking for some extra Colt magazines for my 1944 Ithaca 1911a1. Holy cow, you really need to do your homework to not get burned. Lots of repros out there.
 
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