Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

FAL or M1A?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by AJBarney, Oct 9, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. USSR

    USSR Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    8,516
    Location:
    Finger Lakes Region of NY
    Yep.

    Don
    FAL1.jpg
     
  2. Halal Pork

    Halal Pork Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2010
    Messages:
    294
    If the 17s is the penultimate, which rifle finished dead last?

    To the OP, I'd like to have both but in the same boat as you I chose the M1A. I just felt more confident about the Springfield product versus the various FAL offerings. I'd still like a FAL though.

    Edit to add:

    Penultimate means second from last.
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2012
  3. briansmithwins

    briansmithwins Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2005
    Messages:
    4,088
    Chauchat.

    If it's optics on a 7.62 NATO rifle you want, the SCAR 17S is the only way to fly.

    BSW
     
  4. lhead71

    lhead71 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2010
    Messages:
    27
    I have owned and shot both and kept this one. Keeps ball ammo under moa no problem.

    M1A.gif
     
  5. d2wing

    d2wing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    2,817
    If you want a rifle you don't have to clean, get a FAL. If you like a long range rifle that is accurate and feels good in your hands get the M1A. Also the M14 style rifle is usable for hunting. The FAL is hard to resist for some. Both make good battle rifles depending on preference and type of fighting. The M14 covers a wider range of situations as it is better at long range and hand to hand with a bayonet, and is faster to point at multiple targets.
     
  6. 303 hunter

    303 hunter Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2011
    Messages:
    333
    Location:
    Fayetteville N.C.
    I REALLY prefer them!
     
  7. Runerock

    Runerock Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    4
    M1A standard here
     
  8. Ash

    Ash Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2004
    Messages:
    5,358
    Location:
    Anywhere but here
    The M14 won the trials as much because it was supposed to use existing tooling to a great extent, would allow a simpler transition of arms, and because the establishment was loathe to go radical.

    The FAL would have made a better combat arm.
     
  9. ol' scratch

    ol' scratch Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,382
    Location:
    South of Hell....Michigan.
    I love my M1 Garand, but the M1A always balanced funny for me. I own an FAL and love the rifle. It is a heavy and almost unrefined beast. I have a DSA and that is what I would recommend. As one person put it, they are the Cadillac of the present day FAL world.

    I also reload and the gas system on the M1A has the same problem that the gas system on the M1 has---it is ammo sensitive. Too much port pressure and the rifle is out of action. You can get an adjustable plug, but it is not like the tunable system on the FAL. The FAL doesn't care what it eats and won't get indigestion like the M1A. I also like that you can flip a switch and the rifle is a straight pull bolt action rifle. Good surplus mags are easier to find too (or at least in my area).
     
  10. MTMilitiaman

    MTMilitiaman Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Messages:
    2,577
    Location:
    Missoula, Montana
    If it was a matter of majority rules, we'd all be using AKs and all our last names would Chin.

    In my experience this is wrong on both accounts. Saying the rifle craps where it eats means that it is blasting those hot gases and all that carbon fouling back into the receiver where the majority of the moving parts are. And my A4 most certainly did have quite a bit more fouling in the chamber than any piston rifle I've ever fired. Not only that but the damn star chamber is a PITA to clean. In fact, the whole rifle is just a bunch of tight nooks and crannies seemingly designed specifically to catch all the crud that the rifle blasts back in the receiver.

    True the M1A requires tools to disassemble, but at least the parts are big enough to keep track of and the areas of the rifle that need to be cleaned are easy enough to reach. I've spent too much time combing the Southern California landscape for firing pin retaining pins and other small bits from M16s cause a gust of wind or careless step tipped over someones cover, where we were trained to keep the small parts while the rifle was being cleaned. I've never had any of these problems with my M1A.

    No more so that the M16 trials, or the Beretta trials, or any of the other trials that have come before or after.
     
  11. wlewisiii

    wlewisiii Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2010
    Messages:
    1,649
    Location:
    Hayward, WI
    I built a FAL & loved it. If the US had adopted it in .280 NATO, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I may someday build another and chamber it in 7mm-08 to get most of the way there.

    I have no desire for the M1A or it's AR replacements.

    If I could have only one semi-auto battle rifle, I'd choose the FN-49 in 7x57 ;) That's good stuff too.
     
  12. fireside44

    fireside44 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2009
    Messages:
    746
    Agreed but 8mm mauser FTW! Also as great a rifle as it is, it doesn't handle as nice as a FAL. Toss a synthetic stock on there and a detachable mag and I'm all over it.
     
  13. Girodin

    Girodin Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2008
    Messages:
    5,564
    Between those two I'd rather have an FAL. If you can swing the price I'd gladly take a SCAR over either. For less money the gun pictured below is not bad at all either. This one still needs a battle comp or the like. It is much more of a project gun than any of the others though.

    [​IMG]
     

    Attached Files:

  14. 56hawk

    56hawk Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2011
    Messages:
    1,298
    My FN-49 is factory original in 308 with 20 round detachable magazines. :)
     
  15. barnbwt

    barnbwt Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2011
    Messages:
    7,052
    Might as well add rails and a buffer tube while you're at it :neener:

    j/k, I like the old school, personally, but if the OP wants a beater rifle, such a fate is beneath the elegant FN 49 (though it is certaintly capable, of course). It's "unrefined" decendant, the FAL, would be a wiser choice for rough play. I can't speak to the M1A as I have no experience, other than that I find the mechanism more interesting :)

    The Argentine (?) Navy contract FN 49s had a 20rnd detachable mag in .308. And a wood stock is all the better for bustin' heads with :p. My Luxembourg 30-06 is easily topped off with stripper clips (not sure if the other chamberings do that) so the detachable mag is less of, if not a non-issue.

    Also, call me crazy, but it feels like the FN 49's reciever isn't as overbuilt as the FALs I've handled; those almost feel ungainly to me. The FN 49 balances "like a rifle" in my hands. Granted, most of my rifle experience is with the portly FNAR, so keep that in mind...

    TCB

    Girodin; for a second there, I thought that flashlight on the side was some sorta crazy muzzle device :)
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2012
  16. fastest45ever

    fastest45ever Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    142
    How does the FAL compare in full auto to the M14?
    Sort of on topic;-)
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2012
  17. kBob

    kBob Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    4,304
    Location:
    North Central Florida
    I guess some of the military FALs I shot in the way back that were in European military and police service turned me off to them. I fired a couple of the built up guns in the US and they were OK. I most liked Springfield Armory's SAR-48 (I think that was what it was called when it first came out) of the FALs I have shot. Played with it over about a month and enjoyed it.

    Still if you placed a non military FAL and a Springfield M-1A on a table and said "Hey kBob! Pick one up and take it home! Free! It's yours!" I wouold not hesitate a split second to pick up the M-1 A.

    Mind you I was teethed on Garands, flurted with M-14s and stuck with M-16A1s and as I say my earliest FAL experience was not with nice new guns, but the M-1a does it for me of the two choices offered.

    -kBob
     
  18. MJ

    MJ Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2005
    Messages:
    855
    ;)

    I shot SLR back in '68 and it just didn't light my fire. The guys with the SLR were always trying to steal our M14's. I just didn't get on the wagon when they were cheap in the 80's and I don't need a clone.

    Also I not sure about it being easy to scope the SLR when the G3 and M14 dedicated military tested scope mounts. So I'm good with my pick at the time.

    '83 and '86

    IMG_0982_zps67891f93.gif

    ..MJ..
     
  19. kBob

    kBob Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    4,304
    Location:
    North Central Florida
    MJ,

    Does that rubber baby buggy bumper on the HK actually prevent HK ding?

    A buddy of mine used to reload recoverd HK fired brass for his M-1A and he often cursed the dinged brass. Despite what the experts had to say he thought the chamber fluting ingraving was not a problem for reloading and usig in the M-1A. I always wondered if it made for odd pressure or a weird speed for extracting. Firing in the M-1A ironed out most of the HK brasses lines but not all of it. Never did find out if the case life for reloading was much altered as he died of cancer before we thought to start keeping track rather than just inspecting brass.

    Got my SHutzen snuer (German Army qualification Shooting Knot) twice with the G3.

    If an HK 51/91 and an FAL were on the table I would have to dither for a bit.

    -kBob
     
  20. kBob

    kBob Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    4,304
    Location:
    North Central Florida
    Anyone know how many natios adopted the HK 51/91?

    -kBob
     
  21. aubie515

    aubie515 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2006
    Messages:
    882
    Location:
    SE PA
    Man, these threads can get sidetricked. To the OP, of the two you listed...FAL all the way.

    ETA:I've owned both.
     
  22. MJ

    MJ Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2005
    Messages:
    855
    KBob The bumper deflects the case down and forward making it less visible to any spotter the side effect of retrieving brass and less case denting is a free side effect. I have 200 CAVIM cases with 11~15 reloads and some LC cases with eight reloads no problems. Even without the bumper the cases are reformed and have no side effects I have seen. They have been fired is several other rifles with no ill effects. Now I also have 500 HXP and LC cases from the FN-SLR that are a bear to reload because there is no primary extraction and the rims are bent from the the violent extraction. Lots of trimming and removing of burs with a file before they will even chamber is a case gauge.

    ffcc3a60.gif
    3bbd24fe.gif
     
  23. mortablunt

    mortablunt Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,590
    Location:
    Deutschland
    I vote for FAL, thinking it vastly preferable over the M1A. The FAL has been upgraded and changed significantly over its long history. It is still a popular rifle around the world. The thing is known for its incredible reliability. It's also known for being highly accurate, controllable, and user-friendly. The FAL is lighter than the M1A. M1A's have a reputation of not really being worth it unless you go for match grade one. I've had time with the FAL, and I honestly have to say that I love it. It's easily one of my favorite rifles. The controls, design, inclusion of a pistol grip, as well as a rainbow of different variants really make it standout. You can find an FAL built to be anything from a short range carbine to a long distance rifle. An M1A is just an M1A. Pretty much all the choice you get is barrel length, the colours of the paint and wood stain, and whether or not you want to have rails put on it.

    _____
    Rant: The M14 became the weapon for the United States because of politics and the extremely close ties between ordnance and Springfield Armory. It was also politics which got the M16 into service, and is responsible for the incumbency of the obviously subpar M4. The USA hasn't produced a genuinely good infantry rifle since the M1 Garand. About 10 times as many nations have adopted the FAL versus the M14, which says wonders about the quality of the two as weapons. And nobody but us actually took the M14 as their standard infantry rifle when presented with FAL, G3, and AKM. Essentially every other country to use the M14 employs it exclusively as a specialist sniper rifle.
    _____

    It's interesting to note that the M1A replicates the controls of a Kalashnikov almost exactly, save for its safety switch. It's funny because nobody ever complains about how horribly unergonomic and awkward the M1A's controls are. The FAL uses a left side charging handle on the side of the receiver and it uses the same rocking motion to insert and remove magazines. However, there's a kind of guide that makes it easier to do correctly and reliability. The FAL is vastly cheaper than the M1A and comes with much greater choice. Spare parts and accessories are also currently cheap. I'd pick the FAL.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page