FBI Glock photos leaked

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Yes, bullet tracing has been commonly mentioned as a reason to go to conventional rifling. But they had the "Miami barrel" with striations in the polygon for that purpose.
Bet it still costs less to button or broach LnG than polywhatsit.
 
OK, it's a Glock, as long as it is reliable.

I don't understand why the FBI needs an FBI spec Glock, regular Glocks seem to work just fine for all the other law enforcement agencies out there. I figure the FBI could get sweet prices on Gen 3 or Gen 4 G17s with as many as they would buy.
 
I don't understand why the FBI needs an FBI spec Glock, regular Glocks seem to work just fine for all the other law enforcement agencies out there.
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Just Uncle Sam freewheeling with your tax dollars.
 
stchman said:
I don't understand why the FBI needs an FBI spec Glock, regular Glocks seem to work just fine for all the other law enforcement agencies out there. I figure the FBI could get sweet prices on Gen 3 or Gen 4 G17s with as many as they would buy.
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They didn't,they didn't even want it... they wanted the SIG 320.

Glock made this "FBI spec" model just to keep the FBI contract
 
stchman said:
OK, it's a Glock, as long as it is reliable.

I don't understand why the FBI needs an FBI spec Glock, regular Glocks seem to work just fine for all the other law enforcement agencies out there. I figure the FBI could get sweet prices on Gen 3 or Gen 4 G17s with as many as they would buy.
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The FBI didn't want a Glock, but government procurement regulations require that you submit an RFP (request for proposals) where you list requirements and then companies submit proposals.

The FBI pretty much wrote their RFP almost completely tailored to the SIG P320 (which is what they wanted), but Glock simply adjusted their design to meet all the requirements and will now likely just underbid SIG on the project. If Glock meets all the requirements of the RFP and is the low bidder they could bring a lawsuit if the FBI didn't give them the contract.
 
9mmepiphany said:
I think you'd be surprised how little money is usually involved.

Since the FBI is already issuing Glocks, I wouldn't be surprised if they just traded them straight across
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I agree. It's very good advertising to have the FBI using your product. It generates big sales.

It's like when Goodyear gives every race team in the Daytona 500 free tires. They are assured the winner will be on Goodyear tires and then can advertise the winner of the Daytona 500 was riding on their tires.
 
I am a fan of Glocks purely for their simplicity, ease of use, and universality. For those reasons alone, they have become my workhorse 9mms.

I like the deletion of the finger grooves, although the Gen. 4 grooves are much better for me than the Gen. 3 type. I don't care for flared, racegun style magwells one bit. I don't even like magwells on 1911s. Just give me a nice beveled edge and I'm good.

My biggest concern here is whether or not this new Glock goes further down the rabbit hole of giving up the "universality" aspect with 30 years worth of legacy parts. Then Gen. 4 went there, and the M looks to push away from that even further.
 
I don't understand why the FBI needs an FBI spec Glock,
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I am sure there are departments inside the FBI that would get a reduced budget of tax payer dollars if they just said "our stuff is just fine".

So to keep their job we go from revolvers to 9mm pistols, 10mm pistols, down to .40 pistols and 9mm again.

I just can't wait to see the new FBI revolvers in a couple of years.
 
Losing the Poly rifling is a negative IMO. I don't shoot lead, and I like the higher velocity from a shorter barrel. I hope the older barrels are interchangeable. I like the ambi slide release, could take or leave the flared well. I like the finger grooves on the G4, but could use a little more middle finger relief under the trigger guard. have to feel the new version to see if that is addressed.
 
stchman said:
Sig P320, Glock 17, very similar firearms from a shooting perspective.
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Interestingly I expected them to feel similar, but they handle very differently.

I've had a G19 for years and have shot a G34 in competition occasionally. I've also carried a SIG 226 and has taught and competed with a SIG 220.

The SIG 320 feels very much like a 226 in the hand and points very much the same. The triggers feel completely different.

The biggest difference, besides the different grip modules, is the availability of 3 sizes for each of the 4 different modules
 
ljnowell is correct. Tennifer is an European trade name for salt-bath nitriding.
Essentially, it's case hardening, only its nitriding instead of carburizing.
Glorified case hardening. Nothing new, or special, or high tech, or sexy about it.
What it is, is very wear and corrosion-resistant. Because of that, it's excellent for use on firearm parts that reciprocate.
Harder, more wear-resistant, and more corrosion resistant than hard chrome and stainless steel. Excellent surface treatment.

Now, the black stuff that is visible on the outside of the slide is the finish.
What have they changed over to, for this model? Dunno.
Personally, wearing of the black finish on a nitrided slide bothers me a lot less than wear or rusting of a non-nitrided slide would.
I don't care if the slide is naked, as long as it doesn't wear or rust.
 
Jaymo said:
ljnowell is correct. Tennifer is an European trade name for salt-bath nitriding.
Essentially, it's case hardening, only its nitriding instead of carburizing.
Glorified case hardening. Nothing new, or special, or high tech, or sexy about it.
What it is, is very wear and corrosion-resistant. Because of that, it's excellent for use on firearm parts that reciprocate.
Harder, more wear-resistant, and more corrosion resistant than hard chrome and stainless steel. Excellent surface treatment.

Now, the black stuff that is visible on the outside of the slide is the finish.
What have they changed over to, for this model? Dunno.
Personally, wearing of the black finish on a nitrided slide bothers me a lot less than wear or rusting of a non-nitrided slide would.
I don't care if the slide is naked, as long as it doesn't wear or rust.
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I participated in a thread long ago, can't even remember which forum, debating whether Tenifer was special, or just another name for nitride. We got a guy in who actually had a contract with the company, out of Germany I believe (don't quote me on that), and he said Tenifer was a slightly different process than Melonite, which is just another trade name for salt bath whatsit. He said the chemical ratios were slightly different, and the temperatures were slightly higher. According to everything we were able to learn, Tenifer really is a bit better than Melonite, but the process produces a higher amount of some chemical byproduct that's on the EPA's naughty list. Thus, he said, Tenifer was their flagship product, but they also offered some less environmentally unfriendly recipes for markets where Tenifer was not economically feasible due to EPA regulations.

That brings up another point. According to him, Tenifer is not actually illegal in the US. It's just more expensive to use because of the regulations, and the cost benefit analysis says Melonite is the better option. More bang for your buck, so to speak.

Don't know if this is all true, it's just what some guy said. He sounded legit, though, and certainly was very knowledgeable of the subject. He also knew a lot about the company, and now having the proper search terms I was able to search and verify some of what he said. So take it for what it's worth.
 
KevinB said:
Allegedly pictures of the new FBI spec Glock 17 have surfaced. The model designation is 17M. There's still talk about a Gen 5 coming out at the next Shot Show.

What does everyone think about the changes to the 17M?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/16/photos-new-glock-17m-leaked/

Here is a list of changes according to someone who attended training with the new guns:

A new tougher finish
Changes in the rifling
Longer recoil spring assembly
Reinforced forward notch for the recoil spring assembly
A smoother trigger similar to the G42/43
Flared magwell
No finger grooved
Changes in the safety plunger
Ambidextrous slide release
Magazines have an extended front lip
Magazine well cutout
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Having owned four I'm quite certain there will be no others in my arsenal. I do not pay attention to what the FBI or police departments are issuing.
 
I am a Glock fan and this excites me more than any of the previous changes. I wouldn't mind picking one up. I am a Lefty and I especially like the ambi slide release.
 
grampajack said:
Don't know if this is all true, it's just what some guy said.
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It is true. I always thought it was common knowledge, it isn't like they hide it

The chemical byproduct is Cyanide. For all practical purposes, the Melonite treatment offers the same properties. They are both just forms of a nitride hot bath

What folks see and mistake for Melonite is the actual "coating" applied after the treatment
 
9mmepiphany said:
It is true. I always thought it was common knowledge, it isn't like they hide it

The chemical byproduct is Cyanide. For all practical purposes, the Melonite treatment offers the same properties. They are both just forms of a nitride hot bath

What folks see and mistake for Melonite is the actual "coating" applied after the treatment
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No, I know that's true. I meant all the other stuff. Personally, I think Tenifer is probably better. Essentially Melonite is a re-engineered version of Tenifer designed to be more environmentally friendly. According to the aforementioned industry guy, reducing the temperature of the bath makes the hardening less corrosion resistant.

If I remember correctly, I think he even said that Tenifer and Melonite are both owned by that German company. So if that's true, then you could think of Melonite as "Tenifer Lite.":D

Oh, almost forgot. He said that all nitrides produce cyanide as a byproduct, but Tenifer's higher temps formed a specific molecule that was for some reason considered more harmful to the environment.
 
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