FBI Glock photos leaked

[45_auto]

They didn't,they didn't even want it... they wanted the SIG 320.

The FBI didn't want a Glock, but government procurement regulations require that you submit an RFP (request for proposals) where you list requirements and then companies submit proposals.

If the FBI really wanted a Sig, do you really believe that they are too stupid to go to the Sig webpage and just put Sig's "unlike any other pistol" features into the requirements?

They must not have wanted them too badly if they weren't willing to invest the 30 seconds it took me to find some unique features of the Sig.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p320-full.aspx

Unlike any other pistol in its class, the P320 features a unique 5-point safety system, standard on all models:

- Striker Safety
- Disconnect Safety
- 3-point Take Down Safety System
- Takedown is prohibited without removal of magazine
- System prohibits takedown without slide locked to the rear
- Rotation of takedown lever allows disassembly without tools or trigger manipulation.

 

[grampajack]

If the FBI really wanted a Sig, do you really believe that they are too stupid to go to the Sig webpage and just put Sig's "unlike any other pistol" features into the requirements?

They must not have wanted them too badly if they weren't willing to invest the 30 seconds it took me to find some unique features of the Sig.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p320-full.aspx

Good grief, knowing all that, I would have picked the Glock, too. I'm all for safety, but that's just absurd. They might as well throw a magazine disconnect into the mix while they're at it. I'd have to get one and take it apart, but it just sounds needlessly complicated to me.

 

[Coal Dragger]

My wife bought a P320 a month or so ago. Really quite simple to take apart. Not my favorite handgun, but it's growing on me.

I'd still take my VP-9 over the P320 or the Glock.

 

[lpsharp88]

I am a Glock fan and this excites me more than any of the previous changes. I wouldn't mind picking one up. I am a Lefty and I especially like the ambi slide release.

As a lefty as well, I am exactly the opposite. I always hear right handers complain about their thumb riding on the slide release and prematurely locking the slide back, or it not locking back on the last round. I like not having to worry about that since my thumbs are on the opposite side. I see that addition as a minus overall, in my opinion that is.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Looks like the new G17M hit its first speedbump (recall)...doesn't look too serious...something about the slides falling off during dry practice

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/19/breaking-glock-17m-recalled-police-department/

 

[MikeJackmin]

Good grief, knowing all that, I would have picked the Glock, too. I'm all for safety, but that's just absurd. They might as well throw a magazine disconnect into the mix while they're at it. I'd have to get one and take it apart, but it just sounds needlessly complicated to me.

I don't have a 320, but I believe it's fairly simple - the takedown lever won't rotate unless the slide is back, and the slide simply won't come all the way forward with the mag in the way. Nothing to it.

 

[danez71]

Looks like the new G17M hit its first speedbump (recall)...doesn't look too serious...something about the slides falling off during dry practice

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/19/breaking-glock-17m-recalled-police-department/

Slides falling off in dry practice isn't too serious.

It's "Perfection"!

 

[Acera]

So you guys who are also members of the various Glock fanboy sights, how are they handling this?

Is there a crisis going on among those waiting for the first release of the 'M' on the civilian market???

 

[Vernon1]

Safety On A Glock Pistol

Where is the safety on the Glock pistol?

Like on a Ruger or a S&W ?

Not an empty chamber-the safety?

 

[MIL-DOT]

Where is the safety......?

If you have to ask, you must have never seen Blackhawk Down.

 

[Vernon1]

Glock Safety

There is no safety. According to Glock the Glock was designed in the beginning for police only use. So many in law enforcement were killed in the heat of battle because they forgot to release the safety. That is the reason given by Glock historians. Strange as it may seem.



Great gun!!

 

[grampajack]

Great gun!!

Poor design.

???

 

[JohnKSa]

Like on a Ruger or a S&W ?

Same as a Ruger LC9S Pro. Same as this S&W pistol.

There is no safety.

There is no manual safety. That's not the same thing as no safety, and fortunately there are other options on the market for people who prefer such things and/or don't understand/appreciate the difference.

 

[Zerodefect]

The recoil spring and slide stop have nothing to do with the slide being on or off.

Sounds like operator error and PD fumbly fingers as usual. Wonder what they screwed up with the take down lever.

 

[9mmepiphany]

The recoil spring and slide stop have nothing to do with the slide being on or off.

The above is correct, but there seems to be some confusion which has developed as to the parts in question which has lead to the above mentioned recall

The parts in question, which may have failed/malfunctioned, are the Slide Lock (#20) and the Slide Lock Spring (#19), who's failure would certainly have an effect on the slide staying on the frame. The Slide Stop Lever is #26

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There is a Take Down Lever on a SIG 320, but none on any Glock

 

[JohnKSa]

According to Glock the Glock was designed in the beginning for police only use.

Incorrect. The Glock pistol was originally designed to compete to be Austria's military issue pistol. It was not designed for "police only" use even though it was well-received by law enforcement once it came on the market.

https://us.glock.com/heritage/timeline

So many in law enforcement were killed in the heat of battle because they forgot to release the safety.

Incorrect. There may be a few incidents where LEOs have been killed because they forgot to release the safety, but it is by no means a common occurrence and there have not been "many" LEOs killed as a result of forgetting to release the safety.

I don't know a nice way to say it, but basically everything you have posted so far is incorrect. If you're interested in informing others, you must first begin by becoming informed yourself.

The parts in question, which may have failed/malfunctioned, are the Slide Lock (#20) and the Slide Lock Spring (#19), who's failure would certainly have an effect on the slide staying on the frame.

What's interesting is that one of the changes in the G42 & G43 was to a different slide lock spring. I have not seen the internals of a G17M yet, but I wonder if Glock switched to that same approach for the G17M.

They did switch the firing pin safety to the G42/G43 style--perhaps they also changed the slide lock spring to the G42/G43 style as well.

 

[Zerodefect]

I blame these same police for the extremely stiff slide lock spring on my Glock 41. I always wondered why it was 3 times stiffer than my 23's. Now we know.

 

[grampajack]

The Glock story is pretty impressive. As far as I know, the guy had had no previous experience making guns, until he started with what became the G17 in response to the Austrian military soliciting a new sidearm. Certainly worth reading whenever you have a spare moment.

And his later personal affairs are downright dateline worthy! His bio, especially in the last twenty years, sounds like a bad piece of fiction,lol.

 

[PabloJ]

I blame these same police for the extremely stiff slide lock spring on my Glock 41. I always wondered why it was 3 times stiffer than my 23's. Now we know.

That makes no sense. Does any police department issue G41?

 

[PabloJ]

Allegedly pictures of the new FBI spec Glock 17 have surfaced. The model designation is 17M. There's still talk about a Gen 5 coming out at the next Shot Show.

What does everyone think about the changes to the 17M?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/08/16/photos-new-glock-17m-leaked/

Here is a list of changes according to someone who attended training with the new guns:

A new tougher finish
Changes in the rifling
Longer recoil spring assembly
Reinforced forward notch for the recoil spring assembly
A smoother trigger similar to the G42/43
Flared magwell
No finger grooved
Changes in the safety plunger
Ambidextrous slide release
Magazines have an extended front lip
Magazine well cutout

Please see SAR B6 evaluation done by member of this forum. The price for that plastic and steel gun is $241.43. "it comes zip-tied, with silver sticker on the trigger guard that says 'Quality Control is Made'. I have seen nice Turkish striker-fired polymer guns for just over $300 why pay twice as much for a Glock?

 

[KevinB]

Please see SAR B6 evaluation done by member of this forum. The price for that plastic and steel gun is $241.43. "it comes zip-tied, with silver sticker on the trigger guard that says 'Quality Control is Made'. I have seen nice Turkish striker-fired polymer guns for just over $300 why pay twice as much for a Glock?

It's undeniable that companies other than Glock can produce a quality reliable firearm. I don't think anyone here has tried to exclaim otherwise. I also agree that everyone has a price point that they feel is a reasonable sum to obtain a gun of their choosing. For some it's the weapon you reference, for others it's Glock, and for more even still it's something that can cost thousands. None of this is really new information, however, and the focus of the thread was on the changes made on the newest Glock model. If you are wanting a discussion about the supposed utility of a Glock versus one of your choices, you might find starting a new thread to be more productive. I will look into the pistols you referenced though, sounds interesting.

 

[Vernon1]

Where Is The Safety?

I must have missed the location of the safety on the new Glock Pistol.

I know it must be there some where.

No one would build a firearm without a safety

 

[JohnKSa]

I must have missed the location of the safety on the new Glock Pistol.

1. You mean the locations. There are 3.

2. The new Glock Pistol is no different from the old Glock pistols in terms of the location of the safeties.

3. Unless you make the effort to inform yourself, you will find that you miss a lot of things.

4. Are you going to wait another 4 days and post the same thing a third time on this thread?

 

[Vernon1]

External Safety On A Glock Pistol

Perhaps I should clarify my statements concerning a safety on the Glock.

Many prefer to "drink the Kool-Aid."


My statement should be, "where is the external safety on the Glock pistol?"


There is no reason to "drink the Kool-Aid."

 

[grampajack]

Am I understanding that there are actually people out there who want an external safety on double action striker fired pistols? And if so, why are they not calling for them on revolvers???

Here's a thought. Leave your Glock trigger the heck alone, and it won't be an issue. That's why they make single action and DA/SA with decocking levers, so you don't have to resort to putting something called a "ghost trigger" in your gun!