FBI has guns stolen

[jmorris]

Tell me you've never left an unattended vehicle running and then you can criticize.

I have never left an unattended vehicle running in Chicago with guns, ammo, grenades and gear. Even if I had that still wouldn't eliminate my ability to criticize.

 

[RPZ]

Twenty years ago a SWAT team of FBI agents headed for training left all their gear in an SUV overnight in a motel parking lot. Yup, everything, including all their weapons, i.e., full auto, gas grenades, etc., stolen with the SUV.

As I recall, two years ago an FBI sniper lost his rifle when it was stolen from his vehicle.

Guess not much has been learned about walking away from a vehicle with weapons in it. The rule of the agency I worked for was never to leave a weapon in our private vehicle off duty, or suffer the dire consequences if it was lost.

Here's the article from back then re: the stolen SWAT SUV:

FBI SWAT Van Is Stolen, Stripped of Its Weapons
Crime: Truck is found burned after guns, other assault gear are taken in theft at Memphis hotel.
June 04, 1997| From Associated Press

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MEMPHIS — An FBI SWAT van was stolen from a hotel parking lot, stripped of weapons, ammunition and assault gear and then burned, officials said Tuesday.

The gutted shell of the GMC Suburban was found in a poor industrial neighborhood in north Memphis, minus M-16 and MP-5 rifles, grenade launchers, tear gas equipment, ammunition, helmets and bulletproof vests with the FBI insignia.

The van was stolen overnight from a Budgetel hotel on the eastern edge of Memphis. FBI agents from Little Rock had brought the van and the weapons to town to attend an anti-terrorism training exercise.

No arrests had been made and authorities were searching for the weapons Tuesday, said John W. Hancock, in charge of the FBI's Memphis office.

Notice in this case they just refer to the AR and MP5s as mere "rifles"?

 

[RPZ]

I know a guy who had an AR stolen from his car in a parking lot.

Lucky his window sticker was the AR "COME AND TAKE IT!".... and not the "FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!"

 

[Atla]

Again?

My first thought as well.

 

[JR24]

Tell me you've never left an unattended vehicle running and then you can criticize.

Never with a firearm in the vehicle.

 

[Sunray]

Leaving the car running when you get out is illegal up here. Is in Illinois too. $120 fine for everybody else in Illinois. Up to $500 fine in other States and that includes starting it on cold winter mornings. A State fine is probably the least of an FBI copper's problems if his vehicle with a firearm inside gets stolen though.
Anyway, it's likely the FBI has firearms stolen often. Cops, while being good people for the most part, are the most irresponsible and unsafe firearms users there are. Several instances up here in the last 5 years or so of cops having firearms stolen out of parked and locked vehicles. No consequences reported, of course. Heard of a TO cop leaving his firearm in a public toilet years ago. No consequences there either. Tax Collector's Union is too strong.

 

[Ignition Override]

Imagine what is also stolen from railroad cars. How they know which cars to break into, is it inside info from the shipper's end of the transport, with oddly specific graffiti sprayed on?
I can't see creating a new topic just for this other source of military-grade small arms.

An LEO in Lafayette LA told me two years ago that based on very unique, subtle characteristics used when bad guys drive down a highway, a car was stopped.

In the trunk, select-fired military rifles and hand grenades (or rifle-launched grenades).

 

[RPZ]

Imagine what is also stolen from railroad cars. How they know which cars to break into, is it inside info from the shipper's end of the transport, with oddly specific graffiti sprayed on?
I can't see creating a new topic just for this other source of military-grade small arms.

An LEO in Lafayette LA told me two years ago that based on very unique, subtle characteristics used when bad guys drive down a highway, a car was stopped.

In the trunk, select-fired military rifles and hand grenades (or rifle-launched grenades).

No doubt they were on their way to a gun show so they could sell them to criminals without background checks!!.

 

[grampajack]

Imagine what is also stolen from railroad cars. How they know which cars to break into, is it inside info from the shipper's end of the transport, with oddly specific graffiti sprayed on?
I can't see creating a new topic just for this other source of military-grade small arms.

An LEO in Lafayette LA told me two years ago that based on very unique, subtle characteristics used when bad guys drive down a highway, a car was stopped.

In the trunk, select-fired military rifles and hand grenades (or rifle-launched grenades).

"...based on very unique, subtle characteristics..." -Let me guess, he was doing the speed limit and driving really straight?

Joking aside...

This has long been one of those things that "makes me go hmmm." There's an extremely high number of people with gang affiliations in the US Army thanks to our habit of recruiting criminals, and I've been hearing about military grade equipment going missing on a regular basis, and apparently there's quite a long history of it.

The thing is, where the hell is it going? It's not being recovered for the most part, it's not being used in crimes (never heard of any crimes committed by machinegun wielding, night vision wearing, grenade throwing bank robbers), it doesn't appear to be leaving the country (people in places where they need such things have more direct sources for them). The only logical conclusion is that they're being stockpiled somewhere, and yet you never hear of caches of military grade equipment being recovered from gang houses. Even the cartels are using semi autos for the most part. The whole thing just doesn't make one lick of sense if you ask me.

 

[armoredman]

I would hazard a guess people who don't respect the rule of law are keeping the fun bang-bangs hidden away until the Jihad...I mean "time is right for progressive change" is upon us. That could make things very interesting.

I have never left an unattended vehicle running in Chicago...

I did - I ran off the "L" as fast as I could and never got back on...

 

[grampajack]

I would hazard a guess people who don't respect the rule of law are keeping the fun bang-bangs hidden away until the Jihad...I mean "time is right for progressive change" is upon us. That could make things very interesting.

I did - I ran off the "L" as fast as I could and never got back on...

That would be my guess. I really don't think the gangs themselves have the capacity to keep that stuff under wraps as tightly as it's being done (they just lack the discipline and common sense), which makes me think that someone with a fairly sophisticated organization is buying it from them and stockpiling it for domestic use. Like a new Weather Underground type group. Another unsettling thought is that someone would have to be protecting them from on high. At the very least, the powers that be seem happy to sweep this problem under the rug.

 

[armoredman]

The unfortunate thing is, if present trends continue, we may see who has these toys.

 

[Kaeto]

Leaving the car running when you get out is illegal up here. Is in Illinois too. $120 fine for everybody else in Illinois. Up to $500 fine in other States and that includes starting it on cold winter mornings. A State fine is probably the least of an FBI copper's problems if his vehicle with a firearm inside gets stolen though.
Anyway, it's likely the FBI has firearms stolen often. Cops, while being good people for the most part, are the most irresponsible and unsafe firearms users there are. Several instances up here in the last 5 years or so of cops having firearms stolen out of parked and locked vehicles. No consequences reported, of course. Heard of a TO cop leaving his firearm in a public toilet years ago. No consequences there either. Tax Collector's Union is too strong.

That just changed here in Mi. You can now let your car warm up unattended here.

 

[jmorris]

That just changed here in Mi. You can now let your car warm up unattended here

I do so often in some vehicles even for my wife in the winter time, remote start is nice but it's not the same thing if there are no keys in the ignition, the doors are locked and you don't leave weapons inside.

 

[strambo]

Tell me you've never left an unattended vehicle running and then you can criticize.

Not with firearms in it.

 

[Robert]

This really doesn't have anything to do with THR and we can't even seem to stay on what little topic is actually there.