Federal 9mm 115+P+ 9BPLE
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Roswell_Kid
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115 grain "C9BP" appears among Federal´s current product listings, but not "9BPLE."
105 grain "PD9CSP2H" (expanding FMJ) looks intriguing to me but, of course, not available here.
105 grain "PD9CSP2H" (expanding FMJ) looks intriguing to me but, of course, not available here.
wnycollector
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Regal I'm in the same boat as you! I'm down to my last mag of it. I'm currently substituting magtech's +P+ 115gr JHP's in my spare mags.
wnycollector
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I haven't pulled out the chrono this year, but I may try to do it this weekend and refresh my memory about velocities of this load in my S&W M910. I will post the numbers. If recoil is any indication, it is very close to the 9BPLE.
valorius
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Buffalo Bore, Doubletap and Corbon all make a hotter 115gr round than the 9BPLE+P+, but it is a very good round.
Doubletap 115gr+P - 1415fps adv.
Buffalo Bore 115gr+P - 1400fps adv.
Corbon Sierra 115gr+P - 1350fps adv. (some lots will chrono 1400 avg)
9BPLE- 1300fps adv.
The Magtech load is 1330fps adv.
Doubletap 115gr+P - 1415fps adv.
Buffalo Bore 115gr+P - 1400fps adv.
Corbon Sierra 115gr+P - 1350fps adv. (some lots will chrono 1400 avg)
9BPLE- 1300fps adv.
The Magtech load is 1330fps adv.
Not 115 gr, but I just bought a few boxes of 9BPLE 124 gr. +P+ on sale at a local police supply house for $23.99. Not a bad price-they claim their normal price was $39.99, which is just too darn high!
I would tell you where it was, but since nobody posts their location with their screen name etc...
EDIT: My bad-just checked my boxes and they ARE 115 gr. +P+.
I would tell you where it was, but since nobody posts their location with their screen name etc...
EDIT: My bad-just checked my boxes and they ARE 115 gr. +P+.
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jonboynumba1
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It may not be a current part of their "commercial" lineup but I'm quite sure they still crank it out...it tends to be contract over-runs/ cancellations when you see it hit the wholesalers...but it usually does so several times a year. I have a few mags left myself....none of our wholesalers or suppliers has had any this year...I was lucky enough to buy a couple cases cheap off a guy last year but sold most of them at a premium when good stuff was hard to find...shoulda kept more...it groups better than Speer 124gr +P gold dot in my guns...but I like that bullet better....9PBLE is generally my second choice just because it's of a known quallity and I've shot a bunch of it. Keep in mind Federal's +P is not really all that hot over standard...and +P+ is a made up designation that does not really exist in the real ammo manufacturing world...though we see it marketed all the time.
Try some Gold Dot 124+P...I bet you like it....if you want something comparable in accuracy try Hornady's XTP or tactical XTP loads. Good stuff to...very accurate and consistent to.
Try some Gold Dot 124+P...I bet you like it....if you want something comparable in accuracy try Hornady's XTP or tactical XTP loads. Good stuff to...very accurate and consistent to.
The big difference is that the 9BPLE is well proven in many, many actual shootings. It's a bullet/velocity combo that works very well on people and has a reputation for reliable function and accuracy regardless of weapon choice. And, you don't have to take Federal's word for it, that reputation came from people using it on the job, not an advertising agency. If I didn't have 9BPLE I'd be buying Winchester Ranger 115gr +P+, it's the next best thing.
BTW, I got an average of 1307fps from 9BPLE out of a HK USP. Magtech 115gr JHP +P could only manage 1188fps, not so hot when WWB 115gr FMJ clocked at 1176fps.
They show it their Premium LE "Classic" line - http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/pistol/classic.aspx
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Full Metal Jacket
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i still have some i bought a year or two ago. good defense round. not as much penetration as ranger 127 +P+ though, around 9 inches and the bullet fragments. that bothers some folks. border patrol used it for years with great success.
valorius
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The same can be said for Corbon and the Gold Dot hollowpoint used in both Buffalo Bore and Doubletap ammo. (though they have had to switch to other hollowpoint designs at times because of limited availability from speer.)
Doubletap is now selling a 115gr Barnes TAC-X solid copper +P HP round at about 1350fps, that i think is probably as good as you're going to ever get in a 9mm pistol.
I've provided my godson with 150rds of Fed 9BPLE+P+ for use in his 995 carbine if he ever has to defend the family from zombies, boogie men, or anything else that needs shooting. It is totally reliable in the 995, and with that long barrel, it probably hits about 1500fps if not more. Should be very, very nasty.
I personally use Corbon 100gr+P at 1475fps, but it's mainly because it's pretty widely available locally.
Full Metal Jacket
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the same could have been said about corbon years ago. their QC has slipped considerably. i wouldn't trust this ammo, based on what i've seen at the range.
there's always been more effective ammo than 9mm gold dots available. federal hst, winchester ranger & PDX1 are several examples.
as for buffalo bore, never tried it. not willing to either. small outfits make me hesitant to trust their product as there is little in the way of real world experiences.
valorius
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I've never had a problem with Corbon, but if i do, you can bet i'll post it here. My G-son shot another 31rds of their Sierra JHP 115+P last night, out of his Hi Point 995.
I really like their DPX Barnes solid copper line, though Doubletap loads the same bullet a good 100fps faster. Whether other rounds are "more effective" than Gold Dot i think is a matter of opinion. A lot of experts really like that bullet.
I think HST is also very good too, though.
Buffalo Bore has been loading top end hunting ammo for a long time. I've used their ammo, it's always gone bang for me, and is ridiculously hot. I understand your concerns though.
I really like their DPX Barnes solid copper line, though Doubletap loads the same bullet a good 100fps faster. Whether other rounds are "more effective" than Gold Dot i think is a matter of opinion. A lot of experts really like that bullet.
I think HST is also very good too, though.
Buffalo Bore has been loading top end hunting ammo for a long time. I've used their ammo, it's always gone bang for me, and is ridiculously hot. I understand your concerns though.
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The major thing about 9BPLE was the great price, I wouldn't compare it to Corbon or Doubltap because they cost 2x-3x what 9BPLE sold for. I can't find the Winchester Ranger +P+ 115g for less than $40 box, but I imagine law enforcement can buy it cheaper.
The Buffalo Bore +P+ 115 looks like possibly a suitable replacement in performance but again its over double the price of 9BPLE.
The Buffalo Bore +P+ 115 looks like possibly a suitable replacement in performance but again its over double the price of 9BPLE.
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There may have been some civilian shootings where Buffalo Bore or Double Tap was used but I'm unaware of any LE agencies using either brand, maybe some are but I haven't heard of them. 9BPLE has been used with great success for many years by lots of different agencies and has proven track record on people, that's more important to me than advertising hype. I still carry it on and off duty.
wnycollector
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I just got back from the range and the Magtech 115gr JHP +P+ clocked in at a ten shot average of 1233fps out of a S&W Model 910 w/ a 4" barrel. I will still carry my last mag of 9BPLE in my 910, but I'm comfortable with the magtech ammo in my spare mags. The ammo is very accurate and provides decent performance until I can find some more federal ammo!
valorius
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Higher velocity is not "advertising hype."
In fact, Doubletap and Buffalo Bore DON'T ADVERTISE AT ALL that i know of...at least nowhere near to the extent that Federal does.
DT and BB use the same weight bullet at a much higher velocity, with a totally proven bullet design (or actually a few different designs).
1233fps is not even +P+, it's just regular old +P. Get yourself some Corbon Sierra JHP. 1350-1400fps real world velocity with the same weight bullet, or you can get their excellent DPX+P that uses the solid copper Barnes HP, which shows 100%+ expansion in testing, in pretty much all calibers.
And speaking of marketing, the term "+P+" is exactly that....a marketing term.
I'm not talking about velocity, I'm not talking about testing, I'm talking about the assumption vs proof that their ammo will do the job on it's intended target. Federal 9BPLE, Winchester Ranger, Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST - all carried by numerous LE agencies, all well proven in actual shootings. 9BPLE has been around the longest and has earned it's reputation on the job, not the range. That's what I look for in a carry load, not how well it expands in gelatin or jugs of water.
wnycollector
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That's why I settled on it for my carry ammo. That rational is also why I carry the remington .38 +P LSWCHP (AKA the FBI load) in my J frame. It has a 40 year track record of LEO's using it to stop bad guys in the line of duty.
rklessdriver
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I agree.
Last year the ammo dealers around NoVA were selling 9BPLE (which comes in 50rnd boxes), for as little as $15.00 a box. I've known about this ammo and it's effectiveness since it was front line on the Border Patrol. It's been my only carry ammo for the past 10yrs in my 9mm's - but I always had to covet every box because "LE only ammo" isn't always easy to find surplused everywhere. Last year when I saw those prices, I bought as much as I could afford.
It's dried up around here now. The exellent 127gr+P+ Ranger T is still availiable but it's near $40.00 a box.
basicblur - What part of VA are you in? Name of the police surplus house?
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Will
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I made a random stop at the funstore today. They had one box left. It was from a police order. When they picked it up today they did not take all they ordered!! The rest hit the floor at a price that made me almost poo my pants. I grabbed it and asked if he had anymore..... One box will do me fine.
Fresh brand new 9BPLE cannt be beat. He told me they typicaly sell it at twice the price they had it at today. I am glad someone left that one last box. No way they could not have been able to afford it. I thank who ever it was that left it for me!!
Fresh brand new 9BPLE cannt be beat. He told me they typicaly sell it at twice the price they had it at today. I am glad someone left that one last box. No way they could not have been able to afford it. I thank who ever it was that left it for me!!
I'm 'bout as far south as you can go before you hit NC!
It ain't police "surplus", but they have two big sales a year (fall/spring) and smaller ones throughout the year. It's Town Police Supply in Collinsville VA-they also have a store in Richmond-the website ain't hittin' on much!
The last two weeks they had Federal 40 practice ammo @ $12.95/50, Federal 9mm RHT Frangible $9.99/50, and the 9BPLE for $23.99. Not bad for the 9BPLE, but not that great a price-'course, living in a small town we don't often get the prices/options of some big city shops. I loaded up on the 9mm frangible last week. Last sale they had I loaded up on Remington 357 SIG practice ammo @ $14.99/50.
BTW-did a web search and found Streichers has 9BPLE @ $19.00, but when you toss it in your cart it shows being out of stock.
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rklessdriver
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basicblur - Thanks for the info. I've been to the Town Police Supply in Richmond before - but it's been a while. They have a good rep on a local gun board as well. I'll have to keep them in mind if I "need" more 9BPLE.
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