collector14
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My wife said she saw a report on one of the morning TV shows yesterday. They said that Louisianna was first, Alabama second and Alaska third in firearm related deaths. Anyone see this report?
Without seeing the source, it must be a "per capita" number.there are fewer people in Alaska than logged onto this forum at any given time, and it's hard to figure out how they could have that many deaths
Firearm Related Deaths are not necessarily a bad thing. A total number of "firearm related deaths" would comprise police shootings, self/home defense shootings, and suicides, along with accidental shootings and murders.
I would consider those bad things, in the sense that if there are many of them, that implies high crime which makes those shootings necessary.Firearm Related Deaths are not necessarily a bad thing. A total number of "firearm related deaths" would comprise police shootings, self/home defense shootings, and suicides, along with accidental shootings and murders.
Friday, May 08, 2009
The Joyce Foundation gives millions of dollars to the two or three radical anti-gunners that make up the Violence Policy Center, to put together white papers vilifying everything related to guns and gun owners. But after VPC's latest effort, Joyce might want to reconsider whether it's getting its money's worth.
This week, VPC came out with one of its most trite and superficial bits of gibberish to date--an extraordinarily brief piece pointing out that Louisiana, Alabama, Alaska, Mississippi, and Nevada are the five states that have the highest firearm-related death rates, and among the highest rates of gun ownership and "weakest" gun laws.
Anti-gun groups rely heavily on "rankings," because rankings make for good soundbites that the anti-gun media will latch onto at the drop of a hat. But anytime you rank states, no matter what the subject, one will come in first, another second, and so on. Therefore, rankings are usually next to useless for anyone trying to get to the bottom of a complex issue.
Despite its affection for rankings, however, VPC forgot to rank the District of Columbia, the murder capital of the country, whose firearm-related death rate is higher than that of any state. And, it forgot to mention that Maryland, one of the states with the strictest gun control laws, ranked higher than Florida, which VPC regularly berates for its Right-to-Carry law. And, it forgot to mention that California, the state with arguably the most gun control, ranked higher than Vermont, which has among the least restrictive gun laws in the country. And, it forgot to mention that Illinois, despite Chicago's handgun ban, ranked higher than Maine, New Hampshire and North Dakota.
VPC also failed to mention that Alaska and Nevada were among the top five largely because of their high suicide rates. Yet study after study has shown that suicide rates are not affected by gun prevalence. For example, Japan has virtually no guns and a much higher suicide rate than the U.S.
VPC also failed to mention that Alaska's non-gun murder rate is higher than its gun murder rate, despite widespread gun ownership in the state, and that Louisiana and Nevada also are among the highest five states in terms of their non-gun murder rates.
There is no correlation between state gun laws and crime rates; some higher-crime and lower-crime states have relatively tough gun laws, and some have relatively less stringent laws. And, studies by and for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the CDC, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Institute of Justice and others have found no evidence the gun control reduces crime in this country or abroad.
Additionally, the FBI reports that crime levels are determined by factors relating to population, transportation, the economy, culture and family, climate, law enforcement agencies, the criminal justice system, and citizens' attitudes toward crime and the police.
The bottom line is, since 1991 federal, state, and local gun control laws have been rescinded or made less restrictive; the number of gun owners, guns, and Right-to-Carry states has risen to all-time highs. And the national murder and total violent crime rates have declined over 40% since 1991; to 43- and 35-year lows, respectively. More guns has coincided with, and perhaps contributed to, less crime.
Ultimately, VPC's purpose is to argue for stronger gun laws, but it has a hard row to hoe in that regard, no matter how much money Joyce wastes on VPC's handful of squeaky anti-gunners.
To the folks at Joyce, spend your money however you want, but we think the money would be better spent on a playground for some neighborhood kids, than on nonsensical propaganda slapped together by Josh Sugarmann, Kristen Rand, and whoever may sweep up their office after 5:00.
Statistics LIE.
Reading a thing doesn't automatically make it so; repeating it doesn't necessarily make it any truer.
In Alaska especially, I wonder if they include the number of gun deaths caused by bears??
If I were to remove my socks and shoes, put one foot in a tub of ice and the other foot in a tub of scalding hot water, on the average I'd feel pretty comfortable.
reallY?? based on what statistics??"There is no correlation between state gun laws and crime rates; some higher-crime and lower-crime states have relatively tough gun laws,......"
"As mentioned above, reporting "firearm deaths" doesn't really tell us anything useful unless you're the tool-blaming type."
have these types ever made mistakes??? would that be a bad thing???would comprise police shootings,............
but that that would be a deliberatee lie on your part and not a statistic.I can take 100 of those and say that "100 out of 100 people like my shirt",........
This.As I understand it Alaska his the highest rate of suicide and alcoholism in the nation,
Please use the quote function. It will make clearer what are your words and what are not, and allow you to condense your responses into one post, rather than a dozen.
Um...rather.sthomper, do you realize you are arguing with people in a conversation that happened THREE YEARS AGO?!
statisitcs lie do they?? i guess they can be falsified by a person. of somene can provide a false conclusion (lying or fraud) and us actual staticitcs.
A boring graph would be one of firearms deaths vs median/mean population density.To be totally politically uncorrect, perhaps a break out of "firearms deaths" by race would be more informative.