VPC stats show gun states have higher gun deaths.

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TexasRifleman,

You are absolutely correct. I have purchased more guns since then, and I am much happier. I earn a lot more money now than I did then. You don't hear much of anything about global warming these days either. When was the last time an oil tanker spilled now that I think of it? Have you heard any reports of Model T crashes, or Ford Pintos exploding?
 
Sad thing is that they really do build their position on statements like those.

They define "children killed by guns" to include anyone under the age of 20, even if killed by police during a crime.
 
They also help with extreme bordem. If you get to bored you can go shoot your gun. If you don't want to leave your house you can just feild strip and clean them. They have countless benefits.
 
Isn't it likely that alot of those deaths were caused by gun owners shooting criminals?

Obviously states that restrict the 2nd amendment right won't have as many guns to stop criminals and a criminal will simply take their loot and go on to the next mark. Thus fewer shootings. But in a bad way.
 
uhhhh...

You don't hear much of anything about global warming these days either.
...huh?
What are all these damn new so-called energy policies supposed to be addressing?
I can't take a breath without hearing some ******* gripe about some new end o' the world crisis related to some global warming bull****...
New car restrictions, federal emissions standards, geez, it's all over the damn news all day long...
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gyp c2,

Let me revise my statement. You don't hear as much that is backed up with supposed evidence of global warming. The legislation is another critter in my book. I would not think it odd to see a bill regarding giraffe attacks, even though it really isn't a problem. There are lots of other motivators behind legislation.
 
Statistics are not relevant to the issue of whether or not we have a right to bear arms. I don't believe our rights were ever intended to make us safer. In fact, with freedom often comes more risk.
 
Let's see... If I am walking my dog with a concealed gun in my hip pocket and I drop dead of a heart attack it's a gun related death? Or is it a dog related death?
 
"States with 'weaker' gun laws have more gun deaths."

Irrelevant. The question is whether they have fewer or greater MURDERS than other states. THAT is the criteria that should be used, not "gun deaths." It doesn't matter to the victim whether he was killed by an "evil" gun or a VPC-approved knife.

That kind of word parsing is why the antis get away with the most outrageous lies and exaggerations. They pick the terms of the argument, and we let them.

Jim
 
FYI, the ATF studies such as the Youth Interdiction classifies Adults as 25+ yrs. 24 yr olds are classified as "juveniles."
 
Friday, May 08, 2009


The Joyce Foundation gives millions of dollars to the two or three radical anti-gunners that make up the Violence Policy Center, to put together white papers vilifying everything related to guns and gun owners. But after VPC's latest effort, Joyce might want to reconsider whether it's getting its money's worth.

This week, VPC came out with one of its most trite and superficial bits of gibberish to date--an extraordinarily brief piece pointing out that Louisiana, Alabama, Alaska, Mississippi, and Nevada are the five states that have the highest firearm-related death rates, and among the highest rates of gun ownership and "weakest" gun laws.

Anti-gun groups rely heavily on "rankings," because rankings make for good soundbites that the anti-gun media will latch onto at the drop of a hat. But anytime you rank states, no matter what the subject, one will come in first, another second, and so on. Therefore, rankings are usually next to useless for anyone trying to get to the bottom of a complex issue.

Despite its affection for rankings, however, VPC forgot to rank the District of Columbia, the murder capital of the country, whose firearm-related death rate is higher than that of any state. And, it forgot to mention that Maryland, one of the states with the strictest gun control laws, ranked higher than Florida, which VPC regularly berates for its Right-to-Carry law. And, it forgot to mention that California, the state with arguably the most gun control, ranked higher than Vermont, which has among the least restrictive gun laws in the country. And, it forgot to mention that Illinois, despite Chicago's handgun ban, ranked higher than Maine, New Hampshire and North Dakota.

VPC also failed to mention that Alaska and Nevada were among the top five largely because of their high suicide rates. Yet study after study has shown that suicide rates are not affected by gun prevalence. For example, Japan has virtually no guns and a much higher suicide rate than the U.S.

VPC also failed to mention that Alaska's non-gun murder rate is higher than its gun murder rate, despite widespread gun ownership in the state, and that Louisiana and Nevada also are among the highest five states in terms of their non-gun murder rates.

There is no correlation between state gun laws and crime rates; some higher-crime and lower-crime states have relatively tough gun laws, and some have relatively less stringent laws. And, studies by and for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the CDC, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Institute of Justice and others have found no evidence the gun control reduces crime in this country or abroad.

Additionally, the FBI reports that crime levels are determined by factors relating to population, transportation, the economy, culture and family, climate, law enforcement agencies, the criminal justice system, and citizens' attitudes toward crime and the police.

The bottom line is, since 1991 federal, state, and local gun control laws have been rescinded or made less restrictive; the number of gun owners, guns, and Right-to-Carry states has risen to all-time highs. And the national murder and total violent crime rates have declined over 40% since 1991; to 43- and 35-year lows, respectively. More guns has coincided with, and perhaps contributed to, less crime.

Ultimately, VPC's purpose is to argue for stronger gun laws, but it has a hard row to hoe in that regard, no matter how much money Joyce wastes on VPC's handful of squeaky anti-gunners.

To the folks at Joyce, spend your money however you want, but we think the money would be better spent on a playground for some neighborhood kids, than on nonsensical propaganda slapped together by Josh Sugarmann, Kristen Rand, and whoever may sweep up their office after 5:00.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4849
 
I wonder where the statistics for gun ownership came from since there is no registration. Ever wonder?

You know, that's a phenomenal point. Actually, probably the strongest one to date. Is it a self reported survey? Does it account for more than one firearm?

Even if some states does have registration or something silly like FOID cards, most states dont. 4473s would be the only other way to track guns, and that discounts FTF and gun-show transfers. God bless the "loophole."
 
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