First 9mm for me and my wife

[Zertek]

I would say a Glock 19 for comfortable shooting for you and expecially your wife, it is one of the most popular guns in the world, one more thought, a Kahr pm9.

Oh BTW greetings to all from a newbie.

 

[Fastcast]

http://www.best9mm.com/

 

[Kingofthehill]

http://www.best9mm.com/

Umm.... No....

Reading some of those reviews on guns i actually own... not only would i disagree with a lot of it, but even stuff he/she/they write is wrong... stuff that does not include opinion.

best advice, rent a lot of guns and decide for yourself. Any idiot can create a web page, handle for a forum and youtube page. Practice, practice, practice and decide for yourself... PLEASE

JOe

 

[Fastcast]

Umm.... No....

Reading some of those reviews on guns i actually own... not only would i disagree with a lot of it, but even stuff he/she/they write is wrong... stuff that does not include opinion.

best advice, rent a lot of guns and decide for yourself. Any idiot can create a web page, handle for a forum and youtube page. Practice, practice, practice and decide for yourself... PLEASE

JOe

Umm.......It's just another reference with some decent write ups on each piece, explaining why. Take it for what it is.

Same as any idiot here on THR can claim the ONE he owns is best, when in reality they haven't shot S#%*t and couldn't come up with anywhere near as comprehensive of a review of the different 9mm's

 

[Kingofthehill]

Umm.......It's just another reference with some decent write ups on each piece, explaining why. Take it for what it is.

Same as any idiot here on THR can claim the ONE he owns is best, when in reality they haven't shot S#%*t and couldn't come up with anywhere near as comprehensive of a review of the different 9mm's

Did you also see what i wrote in terms of ANYONE can create a forum screen name (Even myself)...

Im not saying I have the answers... im just saying just because its on a website doesn't mean anything.

 

[kostyanj]

If it's on the internets, it must be true!

 

[Fastcast]

Did you also see what i wrote in terms of ANYONE can create a forum screen name (Even myself)...

Im not saying I have the answers... im just saying just because its on a website doesn't mean anything.

I agree.....It was just for reference based on the detailed write ups about what they liked and disliked about each pistol.

I've yet to see a more detailed review of so many different pistols. That alone made it worth including the link......Again, take it for what it's worth. If you don't like the order or disagree with their opinion, there's no harm in that!

 

[Fastcast]

If it's on the internets, it must be true!

Yea, like: get a Glock and look no further.....Nothing else is worthy ..... LMAO

 

[kostyanj]

I'm just saying that I love my Glocks and have never had a problem with them and for the price, you can't beat them. There are plenty of other guns that are just as good, if not better. However from MY experience with Glocks and others, not just reading about them on the internet, I feel the Glockas make great starter guns. They're really forgiving with ammo, feel good in my hands (others may disagree, but everyone's hands are different), and they're designed to go BANG! every time that trigger is squeezed. Once again, I'm not saying nothing else is worthy. I personally love my 1911 and HKs, but I don't think that either of them will be a good starter gun.

 

[Kingofthehill]

It just looks as if the writer has a love for the CZ75 and all clones.

On that page of 25 reviews, 7 of them are CZ75's or clones. The glock 17 is not a good choice? Really?... OK.... and i find it humorus that an XD magically requires 500rds to smooth out the trigger and the Stoeger Cougar only needs 300. REALLY? you are going to tell me that he feels the difference of 200rds?... Surprise surprise.... triggers get better with usage.

And the RAVING review of the HIPOINT C9 is what kills all credibility. I had a Hi-point. Got in trade for an iPod... and yes it worked... Accurate? NOPE... nothing like any other gun i own and this guy is saying the "Accuracy blew him away"... but remember, the Glock 17 is "Hard to hold on target when pulling the trigger"... come on... and im not really even a glock fan. LOL

Im sorry, but those reviews were just horrible

 

[basicblur]

I did tire long ago of folks that think it's the only gun worth considering.

Finally, I'd go with a Glock and not look back.

And heeeeeere they come! :banghead:

And I do also look forward to the often tossed bit o' 'Net wisdom like:
1. Keep you booger hook off the bang switch
2. The best safety is between your ears

Yeah, you don't need no stinkin' safety-just observe the four rules of gun safety and everything will be just hunky dory...
until crap happens (and you KNOW it will)!

 

[kostyanj]

basicblur, so then are you advocating that every gun should have more safeties? I recall reading a story a few months back where a man was showing his girlfriend how safe the safety on his gun was. In case you can't guess the ending, he's not around anymore to show off his safety. More mechanical devices on a firearm don't make it "safer".

 

[basicblur]

basicblur, so then are you advocating that every gun should have more safeties?

Nope-I just wish folks would lose the "guns don't need no stinkin' safety" attitude I see on the 'Net. One may or may not like 'em, but rather than dismiss 'em out of hand, it would behoove some to use that "safety between their ears" and decide if a particular safety suits them, and to compare the pros/cons of a particular design.
And I ain't talkin' internal safeties-all modern arms "should" have those-I'm talking external-grip, thumb, etc-stuff the operator has to manipulate in order to fire the gun.

I recall reading a story a few months back where a man was showing his girlfriend how safe the safety on his gun was. In case you can't guess the ending, he's not around anymore to show off his safety. More mechanical devices on a firearm don't make it "safer".

I'd argue that fact...while you can't fix stupid (as the above story demonstrates), how many things do you have to get wrong for a Glock to AD/ND? How many do you have to get wrong for an XD, 1911, etc to AD/ND. All other things being equal, the more safeties one has, the more mistakes you're probably going to have to make for an AD/ND.

I seriously doubt anything would have saved our dazzling young urbanite in the above story...

 

[kostyanj]

I agree with you 100% about trying to moderate stupid behavior. I don't feel that I'm taking a "no safety needed attitude" at all. I'm just saying that mechanical safeties on guns should NEVER be relied on as infallible. I have 1911s and appreciate all of the safety features Browning incorporated into his designs. I also have HKs and appreciate and use the mechanical safeties on them. My original point was that if you ONLY rely on the safety lever, something will go wrong.

Not to continue this argument but your example of AD/ND above, I think that a lot more has to go wrong for a Glock to AD (ND is the quite the opposite with Glock). Carrying a gun in your pocket is more negligent than accidental.

 

[Manco]

And I do also look forward to the often tossed bit o' 'Net wisdom like:
1. Keep you booger hook off the bang switch

So you're saying that the third rule of gun safety is just some silly idea hatched on the Internet?

2. The best safety is between your ears

So among all types of safeties, this is not even the best one, at the very least? You'd rather RELY on a mechanical device first as the best option? Well, I guess you don't believe in prevention being better than any cure, either.

Yeah, you don't need no stinkin' safety-just observe the four rules of gun safety and everything will be just hunky dory...
until crap happens (and you KNOW it will)!

And crap won't ever happen to those who use a manual safety first while showing disdain for rules that, if followed as a first priority, would in fact prevent virtually every accident? Am I right that you do not own any revolvers out of fear that you might accidentally pull their triggers?

Nope-I just wish folks would lose the "guns don't need no stinkin' safety" attitude I see on the 'Net. One may or may not like 'em, but rather than dismiss 'em out of hand, it would behoove some to use that "safety between their ears" and decide if a particular safety suits them, and to compare the pros/cons of a particular design.

This sounds a lot more reasonable, but what exactly are you trying to counter here? Are people running around all over the Internet advocating that 1911s, for example, with their hair-triggers should not have manual safeties? Not that I have anything against this design at all, but I would require a manual safety for a 1911, while for me Glocks are fine without them. Others should, as you say, consider all the pros and cons of each design, but I have no idea where your mocking attitude is justified with regard to this issue. In your apparent quest to get people thinking more seriously about gun safety, you've said and/or implied some questionable things that you might not have realized, and against an argument that I don't think anybody here is making.

And I ain't talkin' internal safeties-all modern arms "should" have those-I'm talking external-grip, thumb, etc-stuff the operator has to manipulate in order to fire the gun.

Crap can happen with those, too, such as pulling the trigger in a justified attempt to preserve one's life, and getting no bang. I've seen this happen at the range not infrequently, but I'm sure that when one's life is actually in danger it could never possibly happen.... Basically, it's a tradeoff like most everything else.

 

[atomd]

So a revolver should have a manual safety on it? What about a DA/SA or DAO autoloader with a 10lb trigger pull? Where do you draw the line? Different people feel comfortable with different amounts of safety devices. Some are ok with no manual and some feel better with a manual thumb safety or a grip safety or something similar. Some guys wear a belt with suspenders.

In the end, a well trained responsible person is safer with a gun that has no manual safety than an untrained or poorly trained irresponsible person with a gun that has one or more manual safeties. There's something out there for everyone. No one choice is better for all of us.

 

[searcher451]

Lots of them are out there; many of them are excellent. I would start with a Walther P99, a P99C, and a Walther PPS. Of the three, you are likely to find one that works wonderfully well for the two of you. In fact, you are likely to find three handguns that will work very well, thank you, for the two of you.

 

[David E]

"I would suggest considering either a Sig P6 or a Sig P229. They are DA/SA with Decocker (making them very safe for new shooters), of medium size and weight, very reliable, accurate and fun soft shooting pistols."

David E- Can you weigh in on this?

Sure.

The P-6, while cheap, has a HORRIBLE DA trigger pull. Your wife won't like it much and you won't like it much better. The 229 is a good gun. I liked mine, but never shot it. The trigger reach was rather long for me. I sold it.

The problem with decocking a gun is that you have to REMEMBER to decock it. Not long ago, I was helping run some cops during a night-fire qualification. I noticed at least one of them holstering his Sig FULLY COCKED. Now, you'd think he's trained and all, but he forgot to decock his gun between strings. When I pointed it out he said, "oh." and decocked it.

It's not rocket science or anything, but it does require a certain level of dedication to the system. Most casual/recreational shooters do not possess that level.

I like simple guns, such as the M&P, XD/XD-m/Glock I've already mentioend.

The Kahr T-series remains a good choice, either in poly or steel frame. (they're small guns, so all steel doesn't weigh that much and soaks up the recoil well) Their DAO pull is smooth and light. but they are a bit pricey.

Another one would be the S&W Model 5943. This is a DAO (double action only) version of the 5906, but has a light alloy frame. The DAO pull is short, smooth and sweet. It's available for $350 or less as a trade-in if you check around the internet.

A gun is just as safe as the shooter lets it be, but some do require more attention than others.
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[shooter_shooter]

I watched a few Glock 17 review videos on youtube today and was impressed by its simplicity, both in operation and breakdown. In terms of the safety question, as a beginner I'm so hypersensitive about how I handle a gun I think I'd have to really try hard to have an accidental discharge.

 

[kostyanj]

The breakdown is super simplistic compared to many other pistols.

 

[David E]

The simplest field stripping pistol that I can think of is the XD-m

Even faster/simpler than Glock........and it doesn't require a trigger pull.

 

[Kingofthehill]

and it doesn't require a trigger pull.

My glock 19 doesn't require pulling the trigger.

and my Steyr M9 takes down quicker then either my XDm and glock. hehehe