For bear country: .45 ACP +P or Tokarev?

[R.W.Dale]

Well, there are some modern Makarov-style pistols chambered in the Tokarev round, so the inability to safely carry chambered can be worked around

Really? Point one out, because if so I'll be the first in line to purchase one

 

[mbt2001]

If you read my original post, my question was "which caliber was more effective than the other"... and if neither calibers are truly effective against grizzlies (which I knew, and had stated on the 1st post), then I am sure one caliber will be more ineffective than the other caliber, as all things and effects can be measured on a graduated scale.

The .45 will be the MOST ineffective round against a griz. The tokarev easily out penetrates the .45. None of that big bullet jive will mean anything in this situation. The only thing that matters is getting a bullet into the vitals and the .45 doesn't have a great chance of penetrating deeply enough. I am not kidding when I tell you that those bears are XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL's in size. 19 inches is nothing to a bear. That barely gets through fat layer Number 2.

OF course if you can manage a head or neck shot, I would think either would do as well as the other... So there you have it. The .45 is LESS effective.

Against cats, the .45 would be more effective because of it's diameter and the thin skin of the game. The 7.62 would work well, but I would have to go with the .45.

The 7.62x25 is virtually identical to the .30 carbine out of a pistol or carbine. It is a light game round for deer at most. Although as pointed out, the tokarev round will penetrate better, which for bears would be the only thing that might save you when comparing these underwhelming bear rounds.

 

[Retro]

Mike the Wolf, "Makarov-style pistol chambered in Tokarev round"??? Ok, if it is among those things that you are trying to "advise me", then please point out that particular pistol.

Makarov is a simple blow-back operated pistol only capable of handling pressure of a 9 x 18 round or less. Shooting 9 x 19 (9 mm) will generate enough psi to blow up a Makarov chamber. And now you are talking about a Makarov pistol capable of handling Tokarev caliber??? Have you shot a Tokarev before?

Nothing short of a Browning type of mechanism, OR a delayed blow-back mechanism of a CZ would handle the Tokarev round. - Thanks!