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Our drivers license is flag on the computer that we are permit holders. So whenever our driver license is run it comes up. (personally I wish it was on our drivers license, since they are connected in the computer)
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I don't see the value in having your DL indicate your CCW status. I guess there is one upside - if a state did do it that way, there would be no need to issue a separate CCW card at all.

But, I see alot of disadvantages to this idea. It seems I have to show my DL to many non-LEO people - like every time I use my credit card in a store, check in to a hotel, check in for a flight, etc. I don't feel all those people need to know if I have a CCW...
 
This guy was in McD's not his car. Drivers license tie-in is immaterial to the post.
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It's immaterial? I have had officers at my house, where I had to produce identifaction. Even though I was the one that called them to my house. Funny enough they won't accept my credit card as ID. They want something state issued. The only thing I have is my DL. Everyone gets run through the computer for wants and warrents. Whether you called or not. Whether you are the BG or victim.
 
It's immaterial? I have had officers at my house, where I had to produce identifaction. Even though I was the one that called them to my house. Funny enough they won't accept my credit card as ID. They want something state issued. The only thing I have is my DL. Everyone gets run through the computer for wants and warrents. Whether you called or not. Whether you are the BG or victim.
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YES, it is immaterial to the post. He was not asked for ID, he volunteered it. Your story is anecdotal. It has no relevance whatsoever to the post.
 
The OP said in post #4

i believe he mentioned something about needing to announce his gun to the cop.
i dont know for sure but i though i read somewhere about certain states requiring you to tell the officer about your chl pretty much whenever you speak to one.

not the case in my state. we dont need to say anything here unless its relevant to the situation. i probably would mention it to an officer anyway. just cause i dont want to not mention it to that one p.o.s. officer....who hassles me.
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This was what I was posting to just like post 5, 6, 8 and 9.
I'm truly sorry if you didn't get this. Didn't mean to offend you.
 
Chl, ccw

I see on some replies that "CHL" is mentioned. What's the difference between CHL and CCW. I have a CCW issued in Utah. The second C stands for "carry" meaning on your person, NOT in the glove box as one poster said.
So does that mean that a CHL permit will allow you to have a loaded weapon in your glove box?
And speaking of glove boxes, when was the last time you saw a glove inside a glove box?:D
 
If you have a Utah permit, you actually have a CFP, concealed firearms permit.
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By golly you're right. I never noticed that. The term CCW was always used by the instructors.
Now that it says "concealed firearms weapon" I'm wondering if it means I can have a concealed weapon *not* on my person. Like in the glove box. Or my fishing box, or my RV, or my golf bag, or - - - ;)
I'll call Utah BCI tomorrow and report.
Thanks
 
Utah code does not limit "concealed" to your person.

http://www.le.utah.gov/UtahCode/getCodeSection?code=76-10-501

(2) (a) "Concealed dangerous weapon" means a dangerous weapon that is covered, hidden, or secreted in a manner that the public would not be aware of its presence and is readily accessible for immediate use.
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Also, the law recently changed in Utah regarding vehicles. The vehicle is now basically an extension of your home. So if it's legal for you to own and possess the firearm, you can have that firearm loaded and concealed in your car or on your person while you're in the car.
 
I need to move, Thanks to Chicago legistratures I dont even have to worry about disclosing anything :cuss: :banghead:
 
I'm truly sorry if you didn't get this. Didn't mean to offend you.
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Don't get what? Is his CHP, CWP, CFP (whatever) not state issued ID? Where is the relevance of a drivers license to any of the posts?

Post #1:

i had a question about alerting an officer to your chl and weapon.

there was a thread in another forum about a man in mcdonalds who called the cops on another man for various reasons.

when the cop got there, the guy who called the cops(who also has the chl) told the cop(and everyone else in mcdonalds) that he has a chl and a gun.

would it have been possible to show your chl card to the officer and ask him not to mention it to anyone else besides the other officers since no one else knew? i dont need 15 people in mcds knowning a carry.

like as soon as he asks "who called the police" say "i did. can you look at this and not mention it to anyone else?" he may even recognize it if you hold it up.
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i believe he mentioned something about needing to announce his gun to the cop.
i dont know for sure but i though i read somewhere about certain states requiring you to tell the officer about your chl pretty much whenever you speak to one.

not the case in my state. we dont need to say anything here unless its relevant to the situation. i probably would mention it to an officer anyway. just cause i dont want to not mention it to that one p.o.s. officer....who hassles me.
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Where do you see any mention of a drivers license? Sorry for the plagarism but: I'm truly sorry if you didn't get this.

Oh, and btw, no offense taken.
 
It's immaterial? I have had officers at my house, where I had to produce identifaction. Even though I was the one that called them to my house. Funny enough they won't accept my credit card as ID. They want something state issued. The only thing I have is my DL. Everyone gets run through the computer for wants and warrents. Whether you called or not. Whether you are the BG or victim.
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I don't know where you live, but in Ohio, I don't need to show ANY ID to police, except when driving, or carrying a concealed handgun. I don't even have to HAVE ID. I'm required to verbally ID myself and give my address.

That's it.
 
The database knows

If you are a permit holder, but are not carrying, you might expect the officer to ask you if you're armed, when you fail to bring up the issue. LEO in some counties/states will see that you are a permit holder when they run your DL info. If you didn't mention anything, they might very well bring it up, regardless of the state's 'duty to notify' stance.

One of my salesman, who's a permit holder but NEVER carries, got pulled over not long ago in his company vehicle. He didn't notify the LEO because he wasn't carrying, but the officer asked if he was carrying because the database showed that he had a permit.
 
but the officer asked if he was carrying because the database showed that he had a permit.
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Not in Colorado it didn't unless he got his permit in Jefferson or Arrapahoe counties
 
Utah law recently changed, and you are no longer required to inform officers that you are carrying. This was done quietly, I had to verify it with the BCI.

No UTA has no say in telling people whether or not they can carry, but I would keep it concealed anyway. I don't need to get into an argument with a transit cop when I don't have a car.
 
SCKimberFan
I see that you just want to argue. That's fine. But I won't argue with you. I have done nothing wrong. Just like the OP told you when you wanted to agrue about his post.

it doesnt matter what state its in. i was looking for peoples experiences in their own states. IF your state requires you to announce it.....how would you go about it.
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And that is exactly what I told him. How I would do it.

In that case you have outlined I would hand the LEO my drivers license and CHL.
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And I wasn't the only one to mention giving the LEO their DL.

Just hand your DL and CHL to the officer. They've seen the dynamic duo of plastic often enough to know what is up.
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I've had the cops arrive at our business several times with my CHL. The cop will ask for my driver's license.
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State law in Alaska requires notifications upon first "official contact"
with leo. Easiest is to hand over DL and Concealed Carry Handgun
Permit.
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If the cop stops you, and comes to collect your drivers license and registration,
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He explained what must inform laws were and showed me how he used clear packaging tape to hinge his CCP to his divers license.
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But whatever, you don't like my post feel free to ignore me. As I have no problem ignoring you for now on.
 
No argument is desired. I just want you to tell me where the OP mentioned anything about a Drivers License or being in a car. He did not. They were inside a McDonalds. That is all I am saying.

Once again I ask - relating to the OP:

Where do you see any mention of a drivers license?
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In SC...

a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer and (2) requests identification or a driver’s license from a permit holder.
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Also, the law recently changed in Utah regarding vehicles. The vehicle is now basically an extension of your home. So if it's legal for you to own and possess the firearm, you can have that firearm loaded and concealed in your car or on your person while you're in the car.
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Campbell, you are correct. I just called and talked to an agent at the Utah BCI and they confirm that a person can carry a loaded weapon in a car, concealed or not, *but* cannot exit the car with said weapon, unless one has a CCW, or CFP, in which case it must be concealed. You can, however, exit with a loaded weapon when you arrive at your house if you do not have a CFP. I guess this also would apply when one arrives at a hunting destination.
Now, this is news to me. I got my Utah CFP in 06 and this was not mentioned by the instructors. I would assume this new law went into effect after 06. btw, I live in CA, but have a Utah residence. Still, one does not have to be a resident of Utah to obtain a CFP. You do, however, have to take the CFP course in Utah.
 
Five-o, what state are you in? In Utah, you don't need a permit to keep a loaded gun in your vehicle. All of these laws vary from state to state, but Utah's laws only apply in Utah. In other states you need to find out their laws.
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mlj, yes, I found out from you and Campbell.
btw, I keep forgetting to ask the people at BCI, how does one renew a Utah CFP? Do you or anyone in Utah know? Can I renew online, by mail, etc? Will I have to take another class?
Any help greatly appreciated.
 
mljdeckard said:
Utah law recently changed, and you are no longer required to inform officers that you are carrying. This was done quietly, I had to verify it with the BCI.
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Note however, this was NEVER law, it was a "requirement" by the BCI, who is not a lawmaking body. You never had to tell the LEO you were carrying. Though I'm sure out of generosity and the "do what we tell you" sentiment most people disclosed. I don't recall any cases where this was challenged in court so I'm not sure how much of a Gray Area it really was.

Last time around BCI conveniently left that part of their requirements out.
 
In Indiana you are not required to volunteer to tell an officer that you have a "License to Carry Handgun"....they do ask that you tell the officer though, but its not the law.
 
I don't know where you live, but in Ohio, I don't need to show ANY ID to police, except when driving, or carrying a concealed handgun. I don't even have to HAVE ID. I'm required to verbally ID myself and give my address.
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Deanimator:

You MUST have your CHL with you if you're carrying. Nasty fine otherwise if you can't produce it THEN. No help to produce it later in court.... Stupid....

You are not required to ID in OH if you're not carrying, and there's really no solid definition of "stop" to work with, but it's bad form to wave the thing in the Officer's face.... Generally, if an Officer approaches you, and isn't just asking for the time or directions, you must notify. If you approach him, same story.... The Officers may not know about the "don't need to notify" parts....

The one case of interest right now involves a guy in the Cleveland area who failed to notify until 51 Seconds into the stop! Jury trial is scheduled for next week....

Just happened to think.... I've been to CLE four or five times a year for the last dozen years or more, but haven't been to Brook Park Station since 1964.... When I was at Case, we used to take the Rapid out to Brook Park Station, and then catch a bus to the airport, just for fun. 'Course, it was a lot safer in those days....

Regards,
 
You MUST have your CHL with you if you're carrying. Nasty fine otherwise if you can't produce it THEN. No help to produce it later in court.... Stupid....
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Oh, I know. I thought I'd made that clear. I know I've mentioned it here on numerous occasions.

I was referring to generic ID when NOT carrying, which is why I referred to driving and carrying a concealed handgun as exceptions. You must ALSO have another recognized form of ID when carrying a concealed firearm in ADDITION to your CHL. Some people apparently don't know that.

An actual definition of "timely" may come out of the "51 seconds" case. I consider it unreasonably vague as it stands.

I'm a letter of the law kind of guy. I'd notify where required, not where it isn't. If you stick to the letter of the law, you [MOSTLY] don't have to guess or interpret things. Obey the law and you don't need "breaks". Some people appear to need to feel like they're "getting away with something" all the time. I'm not one of those people.
 
Deanimator:

I wasn't aware of the "other form of ID" thing.... My DL and CHL live in the same little packet....

You're probably correct about "timely" coming out of that case, but the way it's stretching out, who knows....

I'm a letter-of-the-law guy, too, mostly.... We should get the breaks - not have to worry about "how long is 'timely'", for example, when a law is vague or depends on obscure definitions that aren't in the AG's booklet. But there are too many Criminal and Terrorist Friendly folks still helping to write this stuff.... (Ain't gonna get into that here :(.)

Regards,
 
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