For those who wonder what handgun to carry for bears...
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J Miller
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OK, so whos the little kid standing between the guys in the bear suits?
OH, he's full grown?
Ah well, I hope this is a computer generated picture, if not I'd rather have a bazooka for bear protection.
OK, seriously, what kind of bears do these represent? Grizleys?
OH, he's full grown?
Ah well, I hope this is a computer generated picture, if not I'd rather have a bazooka for bear protection.
OK, seriously, what kind of bears do these represent? Grizleys?
RCL
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Kor
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Reminds me of an old story...
Seems there was this greenhorn on his first hunting trip in bear country, and he was a bit concerned about how to deal with being attacked by a bear. So, he asked his guide what kind of gun he carried in case a bear attacked while he was guiding a client.
The grizzled old guide pulled out a snub-nosed .38 revolver.
The greenhorn asked incredulously, "What kind of a bear gun is that - you don't seriously expect a .38 snub to do anything to a bear, do you?!?"
Replied the guide, "Well, sonny, I carry this gun because it's small, lightweight, and it don't get in the way - and if we DO get attacked by a bear, all this gun has to do is slow YOU down..."
Seems there was this greenhorn on his first hunting trip in bear country, and he was a bit concerned about how to deal with being attacked by a bear. So, he asked his guide what kind of gun he carried in case a bear attacked while he was guiding a client.
The grizzled old guide pulled out a snub-nosed .38 revolver.
The greenhorn asked incredulously, "What kind of a bear gun is that - you don't seriously expect a .38 snub to do anything to a bear, do you?!?"
Replied the guide, "Well, sonny, I carry this gun because it's small, lightweight, and it don't get in the way - and if we DO get attacked by a bear, all this gun has to do is slow YOU down..."
Frohickey
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I want a belt-fed grenade launcher when I start hiking out in the wood for bear protection.
And if I come into contact with those 5 bears and the guy... i'm shooting the guy first, he's probably the bear squad leader.
And if I come into contact with those 5 bears and the guy... i'm shooting the guy first, he's probably the bear squad leader.
Keith
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I don't know who that guy is or where that picture was taken, but those are (or were, prior to being stuffed) Alaskan brown bears - grizzlies on steroids.
And that is why I tell people to buy a real gun instead of a .44 mag if they want to wander around in thse parts.
They never listen....
Keith
And that is why I tell people to buy a real gun instead of a .44 mag if they want to wander around in thse parts.
They never listen....
Keith
NewShooter78
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Them there is grizzlies alright, the stuffed variety for sure, but grizzlies none the less. I think I'd take a BFG for those.
trapshooter
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Serbu shorty, with sabot slugs, for close work. .50BMG for anything past five yards.
Tam, what do you think?
Tam, what do you think?
SodaPop
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Most black bear around here aren't much bigger than a deer. Most are in the 200-300 range. I've seen fat people sitting at McDonalds bigger than that.
Here is the thread over on Accuratereloading.com about these bears.
http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=003147
here is what the guy said about them.
Dan is 5' 6" or 5'7" so he is kind of short. But the big dark colored one in the center is very tall.
The weight of the mounts as they are is over 300 pounds that includes each bears base.
These Bears are from Russia. The Kamchatka??? area I think, sorry for spelling.
The Hunters mostly used 338 win mags. I know the one on the left with it's arms down is the one that Dan shot. I think he used a 250 gr Nosler partition.
The hair on these bears is amazing. It is so thick. The long outer hair is kind of coarse but the inner hair is soft as down. When you look at them from behind the width of their backs is incredable. None of these bears had their "rug yanked" they all took several shots to put down. The size is what just blows me away! You have to be up close to fully appreciate them.
http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=003147
here is what the guy said about them.
Dan is 5' 6" or 5'7" so he is kind of short. But the big dark colored one in the center is very tall.
The weight of the mounts as they are is over 300 pounds that includes each bears base.
These Bears are from Russia. The Kamchatka??? area I think, sorry for spelling.
The Hunters mostly used 338 win mags. I know the one on the left with it's arms down is the one that Dan shot. I think he used a 250 gr Nosler partition.
The hair on these bears is amazing. It is so thick. The long outer hair is kind of coarse but the inner hair is soft as down. When you look at them from behind the width of their backs is incredable. None of these bears had their "rug yanked" they all took several shots to put down. The size is what just blows me away! You have to be up close to fully appreciate them.
PATH
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Kamchatka Peninsula has the largest population of brown bear on the planet. Rugged and wild country out there.
Forget the handgun with something that size. You'll just annoy it more. .338 or better in rifle caliber is suggested. By the by these guys can run as fast as a race horse. They can disembowel a man with one swipe of those claws.
Hunting one must be a great experience. Those that are negligent end up in a scat pile.
Forget the pistol!
Forget the handgun with something that size. You'll just annoy it more. .338 or better in rifle caliber is suggested. By the by these guys can run as fast as a race horse. They can disembowel a man with one swipe of those claws.
Hunting one must be a great experience. Those that are negligent end up in a scat pile.
Forget the pistol!
chaim
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For bears I'd say to go big. Look at the size of those guys, they could handle a big caliber. With the size of the paws I'd even say they could probably handle using a rifle as a handgun so I say give the bears an AK (needs to be rugged as I don't think bears are known for being particularly gentle) and let them have at it. I must say though that I never really thought much about whether bears should take up shooting though.
nemesis
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Support Your Right To Arm Bears!
cheygriz
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On bears of that size, I think that a LARGE can of pepper spray would give you far more protection than any handgun.
Zander
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Ask the folks who actually come face-to-face with such bruins more frequently than any others...Alaskans.
They don't rely on pepper spray; Redhawks and Linebaughs, yes...pepper spray, no. It doesn't matter which way the wind is blowing when you squeeze the trigger on a big-bore.
MitchSchaft
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lmao!!
MitchSchaft
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You guys are killin me!!
Nightcrawler
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Here's an idea for a great Alaska anti-bear rifle, for dealing with really big game like this.
Take the Russian VEPR rifles. They're semiauto AKs built on RPK receivers, which are heavier and stronger.
Now, scale the gun up, up, up. .45-70 Government, .338 Win Mag, etc.
Attach a big cushy recoil pad.
It'd have 5 and 10 round detachable box magazines, and could be scoped without blocking the iron sights.
To be really nice, give it synthetic furniture and nickel plate or polymer coat the rest of the gun, for weather proofing. These guns already have hammer-forged, chrome lined barrels.
You'd have a 9-lb package, but you'd have at your disposal 10+1 shots of .338, .45-70, or whatever else you'd want (maybe 7mm Rem Mag?) as fast as you could pull the trigger.
Not as accurate at long range as a bolt gun, but probably more solid than a BAR or Remington self-loader. Besides, most bear attacks happen at close range, right?
Just an idea.
Take the Russian VEPR rifles. They're semiauto AKs built on RPK receivers, which are heavier and stronger.
Now, scale the gun up, up, up. .45-70 Government, .338 Win Mag, etc.
Attach a big cushy recoil pad.
It'd have 5 and 10 round detachable box magazines, and could be scoped without blocking the iron sights.
To be really nice, give it synthetic furniture and nickel plate or polymer coat the rest of the gun, for weather proofing. These guns already have hammer-forged, chrome lined barrels.
You'd have a 9-lb package, but you'd have at your disposal 10+1 shots of .338, .45-70, or whatever else you'd want (maybe 7mm Rem Mag?) as fast as you could pull the trigger.
Not as accurate at long range as a bolt gun, but probably more solid than a BAR or Remington self-loader. Besides, most bear attacks happen at close range, right?
Just an idea.
TonyB
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Bear gun......
When expecting to go up against bear,a 44 magnum will do.However I do suggest shaving off the front sight.This will help alot when the bear takes the gun from you and sticks it up your a$$...
When expecting to go up against bear,a 44 magnum will do.However I do suggest shaving off the front sight.This will help alot when the bear takes the gun from you and sticks it up your a$$...
T.Stahl
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That picture is making me nervous.
My best friend, our brothers, two friends and I are planning a trip to Spitsbergen for this or next year. The problem is, during winter it's too cold and during summer there are polar bears.
The authorities on Spitsbergen say you have to carry a .308 or larger with a muzzle energy of at least 2900J/2140ftlbs.
Within our group of six we'll carry two or three rifles, one Enfield No.4 and one/two K98s.
My best friend, our brothers, two friends and I are planning a trip to Spitsbergen for this or next year. The problem is, during winter it's too cold and during summer there are polar bears.
The authorities on Spitsbergen say you have to carry a .308 or larger with a muzzle energy of at least 2900J/2140ftlbs.
Within our group of six we'll carry two or three rifles, one Enfield No.4 and one/two K98s.
MarineTech
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I thought my Dan Wesson 7460 would be a good bet.
I think I'm gonna need a bigger gun.
Course, we've only got black bear here in Maine. Guess I should be OK after all. Unless I decide to take a trip into that area. In that event, I'd probably make sure I have artillery support. I can hear the radio call on that one.
"Fire Mission!! Brown bear in the open!! Grid 72,45,12 by 27, 15, 8. Requesting HE and airburst mix. Danger close, I repeat, Danger close!"
"Shot over!"
"Shot out!"
"On target! Fire for effect"
I think I'm gonna need a bigger gun.
Course, we've only got black bear here in Maine. Guess I should be OK after all. Unless I decide to take a trip into that area. In that event, I'd probably make sure I have artillery support. I can hear the radio call on that one.
"Fire Mission!! Brown bear in the open!! Grid 72,45,12 by 27, 15, 8. Requesting HE and airburst mix. Danger close, I repeat, Danger close!"
"Shot over!"
"Shot out!"
"On target! Fire for effect"
In NJ there used to be the largest brown bear in captivity ,an enormous 2000 lbs ! Its claws were like bananas . Seeing that up close and thinking of a handgun ? No way ,do they make a short barreled 50 BMG ? A comment on pepper spray- some have gotten the idea that its like bug repellant and spray their equipment with it . That actually attracks the bears.
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