Bear Gulch
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An even better idea would be for the gun manufacturors to qquit selling firearms to PDs in those towns with suits against them. Let them depend on crap for defense.
Ford Won't Sell to PD's in Lawsuit
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Some of our Local PD have started using some Impalas too Most officers I have spoken too do not care for them too small
I'm am not a big Ford person but I would side with them on this issue Too many lawsuits out there with someone trying to get the easy money
I'm am not a big Ford person but I would side with them on this issue Too many lawsuits out there with someone trying to get the easy money
Boat's wrote.
"It helps Ford immensely that they are a virtual monopoly for an affordable V-8 RWD cruiser."
It's not anything Ford did to get this monopoly. GM in it's infinite wisdom dropped the Caprice to make more SUVs and gave the whole market to Ford.
Now that gas is creaping past $2.00 per gallon we will see how smart that was.
I keep hearing that GM is in trouble.
BOT Way to go Ford. I think you have a winning game plan with this.
"It helps Ford immensely that they are a virtual monopoly for an affordable V-8 RWD cruiser."
It's not anything Ford did to get this monopoly. GM in it's infinite wisdom dropped the Caprice to make more SUVs and gave the whole market to Ford.
Now that gas is creaping past $2.00 per gallon we will see how smart that was.
I keep hearing that GM is in trouble.
BOT Way to go Ford. I think you have a winning game plan with this.
Silver Bullet
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I'd love to see that.
orangeninja
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"If they are SOOOO unsafe and you're sueing the company then why in the h3ll would you buy more?!?!?! "
Simple....they are the only game in town for a cruiser. Who else makes cruisers?
Don't say the Chevy Impalla, ever been in one of those?
Simple....they are the only game in town for a cruiser. Who else makes cruisers?
Don't say the Chevy Impalla, ever been in one of those?
big inch
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A couple of years ago Ford issued a recall on the police CV's that involved installing plastic shields around the fuel tanks and rear end. The recall was in response to a few isolated incidents of the fuel tanks ruptering after a severe impact to the rear of the vehicle.
There was a local state trooper killed on I-40 when a tractor trailer rear ended his parked cruiser while travelling at around 60-70mph. I don't know of very many vehicles in which that trooper could have lived after such a collision, but Ford still responded with the recall (even though it would do no good, IMO).
I'm glad to see that they are taking a stand against what would ostensibly appear to be a frivilous lawsuit. If more companies would do the same instead of just paying off people who sue them, maybe most of these ridiculous lawsuits would stop.
There was a local state trooper killed on I-40 when a tractor trailer rear ended his parked cruiser while travelling at around 60-70mph. I don't know of very many vehicles in which that trooper could have lived after such a collision, but Ford still responded with the recall (even though it would do no good, IMO).
I'm glad to see that they are taking a stand against what would ostensibly appear to be a frivilous lawsuit. If more companies would do the same instead of just paying off people who sue them, maybe most of these ridiculous lawsuits would stop.
10 Ring Tao
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My dad works for Ford, and from what he tells me this whole thing is laughable. NO CAR will keep its fuel tank intact after a 70 mph rear impact like those happening to cruisers on traffic stops. The only reason there are "so many" CVs catching fire is because there really aren't any other cars being put in those positions in anywhere near the numbers. So of course there will be more fires happening to CVs.
Duh.
Duh.
Ivy Mike
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I'd like to point out that Ford may not have the market cornered for too much longer.
DaimlerChrysler is rumored to begin production of police Magnums.
GM has also started a trend with the introduction of the Pontiac GTO. RWD is coming back...even if it is being imported from Australia. BTW, the Caprice is still manufactured in the land of OZ. They are about the same size as the old Caprice here...but they come with the LS1 motor.
My choice would be to bring out the Dodge Magnum with the Jeep 4.7l V8 or bring the Holden Caprice over here and drop either the 4.8l or 5.3l V8 from the Silverado line under the hood. Save a little on gas, but have enough oomph to scoot.
of course, you could get the Hemi or LS1 in either for a "pursuit" version, respectively. I ain't been scared of a cop car in quite a while, but if they brought those out
DaimlerChrysler is rumored to begin production of police Magnums.
GM has also started a trend with the introduction of the Pontiac GTO. RWD is coming back...even if it is being imported from Australia. BTW, the Caprice is still manufactured in the land of OZ. They are about the same size as the old Caprice here...but they come with the LS1 motor.
My choice would be to bring out the Dodge Magnum with the Jeep 4.7l V8 or bring the Holden Caprice over here and drop either the 4.8l or 5.3l V8 from the Silverado line under the hood. Save a little on gas, but have enough oomph to scoot.
of course, you could get the Hemi or LS1 in either for a "pursuit" version, respectively. I ain't been scared of a cop car in quite a while, but if they brought those out
TheOtherOne
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It feels so good to read TRUTH! It's also good to hear the Barrett is doing the same thing to Cali!
My dream car right here:Clean97GTI said:
http://www.chevroletarabia.com/content_data/LAAM/AE/en/GBPAE/chevrolet/models/caprice/caprice_ss.htm
Why they ever dropped the 94-96 Impala baffles me.
peacefuljeffrey
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What's sweetest is the idea of a Subaru WRX as a cop car!
The Subaru magazine "Drive" had an article about some police department somewhere that was using the Outback wagon for highway patrol. I think it may have been a department in Alaska. All-Wheel-Drive, baby! You can't beat it! And the Subaru turbos kick serious ass!
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CleverName
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Don't some departments have specially tricked out Camaros/WRX's/other fast or popular with youth cars for drag nights and "beat the heat" events? They like to promoted kids racing on the local dragstrips on Friday nights instead of down Main St.
A tricked-out Camaro with its light bar blazing and siren wailing must make for a mighty odd sight as it does a quarter mile.
A tricked-out Camaro with its light bar blazing and siren wailing must make for a mighty odd sight as it does a quarter mile.
stickslinger
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Louisiana got involved in this nonsense. Local judge said no way, Ford can do what they want.
Zach S
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I think the B bodies got axed due to low sales.
A local department has one Camaro that I know of. Maybe "had" one Camaro that I know of... I think the officer that drives it was involved in an accident, I saw him Friday and he said something about getting the rest of the day off because of an accident, I really dont know if his car was wrecked or not, I'll probably find out this weekend.
The NCSHP got some of the last SS Camaros. One Crown Vic sounded like it had a blower under the hood.
jimpeel
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If the tobacco industry had done this
when the first lawsuit was lodged by Florida the suits would have gone nowhere.
If the tobacco industry had said "Okay, until this is resolved we will not ship product to your state" the AGs would have had to do one of two things:
a. Do without the revenue that tobacco generates for the term of the suit and watch the black market thrive.
b. Sue the tobacco companies for discrimination, anti-trust, and interference with interstate commerce to force them to continue selling within their state.
Either way, they would have been screwed, other states would not have joined in the suits, and the AGs who did would be out of a job.
when the first lawsuit was lodged by Florida the suits would have gone nowhere.
If the tobacco industry had said "Okay, until this is resolved we will not ship product to your state" the AGs would have had to do one of two things:
a. Do without the revenue that tobacco generates for the term of the suit and watch the black market thrive.
b. Sue the tobacco companies for discrimination, anti-trust, and interference with interstate commerce to force them to continue selling within their state.
Either way, they would have been screwed, other states would not have joined in the suits, and the AGs who did would be out of a job.
2nd Amendment
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The Caprice/Roadmaster/Fleetwood got the axe because of GM's decision as corporate policy to go front drive only in order to reduce platforms. Essentially the same reason the F-body got the axe(except, of course, all they really did there was to slap the GTO body on the same rear-drive platform).
CleverName
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I did a little research, and these "Beat the heat" events seem to use private drag cars owned by LEO's. So while the only LE Camaro I see around here belongs to the Highway Patrol (and were of the last and IMHO ugliest generation), there HAS to be a couple more in non-official posession. These are the cars used by the LEO's, and apparently on their own dime too.
The B-bodies where not selling as well as they once had but the reason they stopped making them wasn't to go to a front wheel drive platrom or due to low sales.
The main reason as I remember it was that they were selling extented cab trucks, Suburbans, and what ever else body-on-frame type SUVs as fast as they could make them. The profit margin on a truck and SUV was MUCH higher then what they were getting out of the B-bodies. Ford was clearing somewhere around $10,000 per explorer sold. It was one of there most profitable automobiles that Ford had [untill the Firestone/Explorer lawsuits]. I would expect that GM was also makeing somewhere close to that on there trucks and SUVs. They didn't want to build a new factory [costly and it would take a long time to get up and running] to build trucks and SUVs, and converting any other production line would be very costly due to the fact that they were set up to build unibody type cars. So they stopped the B-body cars because the production line was already building car-on-frame construction, and could be converted to trucks very easily.
The main reason as I remember it was that they were selling extented cab trucks, Suburbans, and what ever else body-on-frame type SUVs as fast as they could make them. The profit margin on a truck and SUV was MUCH higher then what they were getting out of the B-bodies. Ford was clearing somewhere around $10,000 per explorer sold. It was one of there most profitable automobiles that Ford had [untill the Firestone/Explorer lawsuits]. I would expect that GM was also makeing somewhere close to that on there trucks and SUVs. They didn't want to build a new factory [costly and it would take a long time to get up and running] to build trucks and SUVs, and converting any other production line would be very costly due to the fact that they were set up to build unibody type cars. So they stopped the B-body cars because the production line was already building car-on-frame construction, and could be converted to trucks very easily.
Selfdfenz
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jimpeel
Re big tobacco Exactly.
That is what happens when too many bean counters and lawyers are involved in management of large and small companies. Worry about profit this quarter, tomorrow may never come.
I think Dallas may have been one of the cities involved in the Ford suit. We had an officer tragically killed in his cruiser due to a hi-speed RE impact. Picts of the vech. on the news indictaed to me no one could have survived.
I wonder how many officers were struck and killed standing by the driver's sider door of the violation vech. while writing or handing over a ticket during the same period?? Wanna bet it's way more than 15?
Wonder if there was a suit against the HiTec shoe company.
Napolean Dynamite said it best, "IDIOTS!"
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Re big tobacco Exactly.
That is what happens when too many bean counters and lawyers are involved in management of large and small companies. Worry about profit this quarter, tomorrow may never come.
I think Dallas may have been one of the cities involved in the Ford suit. We had an officer tragically killed in his cruiser due to a hi-speed RE impact. Picts of the vech. on the news indictaed to me no one could have survived.
I wonder how many officers were struck and killed standing by the driver's sider door of the violation vech. while writing or handing over a ticket during the same period?? Wanna bet it's way more than 15?
Wonder if there was a suit against the HiTec shoe company.
Napolean Dynamite said it best, "IDIOTS!"
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EVIL5LITER
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Where do you get Weakest car corporation from? They are number 2 in the world, soon to probably surpass GM if they continue on their downward spiral, and I would certainly hope you don't mean power with the 550hp Ford GT and 450hp Shelby GT 500 Cobra just being released.
Ivy Mike
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FYI, GM is still number 1 by a wide margin and Toyota, not Ford is the second place runner. Toyotas sales numbers are nothing to sneeze at. They sell a ton of cars here and even more throughout the world.
EVIL5LITER
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Source?
svtruth
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CV Fires
Happened in Westchester county NY a coupl years ago. Drunk driver rearended stopped police car. The burns were fatal to the PO. Lots of ink on gas tank shielding; no story on how many highway flares were in the trunk.
Happened in Westchester county NY a coupl years ago. Drunk driver rearended stopped police car. The burns were fatal to the PO. Lots of ink on gas tank shielding; no story on how many highway flares were in the trunk.
What I'd like to see is a RE collision comparo of all the vehicles considered even marginally suitable for patrol car work.
My money is on the following ranking (best to worst):
1. Tahoe/Expedition/Other Large SUV
2. Crown Vic
3. Dodge Dynasty...er...Intrepid...er...Magnum
4. Chevy Imapla
What are the relative masses of the vehicles? (another guesstimate):
1. Tahoe/Expedition/Other Large SUV
2. Crown Vic
3. Dodge Dynasty...er...Intrepid...er...Magnum
4. Chevy Imapla
And relative costs (Highest to lowest) of the above vehicles? My seat-of-the-pants guesstimate:
1. Tahoe/Expedition/Other Large SUV
2. Crown Vic
3. Dodge Dynasty...er...Intrepid...er...Magnum
4. Chevy Imapla
Yes, Dallas is part of the shakedown. They even "balanced" a budget or two on expected winnings from the legal lottery.
mfree wrote:
D'oh!
Sorry, I got my MOPAR POS's FUBARed in my CNS.
I meant "Intrepid" when I wrote "Dynasty." Also, it turns out the Intrepid has been replaced by the Dodge Magnum/Chysler 300 for 2005.
My only defense is that my dad owned a Dynasty for a few months. I still have nightmares...
My money is on the following ranking (best to worst):
1. Tahoe/Expedition/Other Large SUV
2. Crown Vic
3. Dodge Dynasty...er...Intrepid...er...Magnum
4. Chevy Imapla
What are the relative masses of the vehicles? (another guesstimate):
1. Tahoe/Expedition/Other Large SUV
2. Crown Vic
3. Dodge Dynasty...er...Intrepid...er...Magnum
4. Chevy Imapla
And relative costs (Highest to lowest) of the above vehicles? My seat-of-the-pants guesstimate:
1. Tahoe/Expedition/Other Large SUV
2. Crown Vic
3. Dodge Dynasty...er...Intrepid...er...Magnum
4. Chevy Imapla
Yes, Dallas is part of the shakedown. They even "balanced" a budget or two on expected winnings from the legal lottery.
mfree wrote:
D'oh!
Sorry, I got my MOPAR POS's FUBARed in my CNS.
I meant "Intrepid" when I wrote "Dynasty." Also, it turns out the Intrepid has been replaced by the Dodge Magnum/Chysler 300 for 2005.
My only defense is that my dad owned a Dynasty for a few months. I still have nightmares...
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