Ford Won't Sell to PD's in Lawsuit

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Hello firearm manufacturers! Wake up! THIS is how you fight frivolous lawsuits. It's working for Ford.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050322033609990001

Many Police Departments Drop Out of Ford Suit
Safety of Popular Cruiser Is Focus of Complaints
By DON BABWIN, AP

CHICAGO (March 22) - Dozens of police departments in Illinois who joined a lawsuit alleging that a popular police cruiser is unsafe have dropped out because they said Ford Motor Co. threatened to stop selling them the cars.

Ford's Crown Victorias have been the focus of legal battles since 2002, when some cities and towns began alleging in lawsuits that the police cruisers exploded easily in rear-end collisions.

Officials said switching from the Crown Victoria Interceptor to another vehicle would cost them tens of thousands of dollars, and the specially built police cruiser is still favored by many departments.

"I think it's coercion by Ford," said Trisha Murphy, a plaintiffs' attorney involved in the lawsuit.

Jim Feeney, an attorney for Ford, said approximately 120 police agencies in the state have dropped out of the lawsuit and more are planning to. He said the automaker just wants the departments to decide if they really want to sue.

"The bottom line is either they are serious about the lawsuit and the claims in the lawsuit or they're not," he said. "If you think the vehicle is unsafe - we don't - but if you do, don't expect us to supply you vehicles."

The Crown Victorias have been the focus of legal battles since 2002, when municipalities around the country began alleging in lawsuits that the vehicles explode too easily in rear collisions.

Since 1983, at least 15 police officers nationwide have died in fiery crashes after their cruisers were hit from behind.

In the first class-action lawsuit over the Crown Victoria to go to trial, a jury in St. Clair County in Illinois ruled in October that the cars were safe, although an appeal of the ruling is likely. A judge still must decide if the automaker violated state consumer fraud laws.

Ford took its no-sale position with the police departments in 2003 when the lawsuit became class action, Feeney said. "Now it's two years later and they're looking to replace their fleets and all of a sudden they're becoming aware of the fact they can't buy any cars," he said.

The Rolling Meadows Police Department is one of the departments that has dropped out of the lawsuit.

Deputy Police Chief Dave Scanlan said he did not even know his department was part of the lawsuit because he never saw a letter informing the city it would be included unless it expressly declined. The department found out about it when it was time to buy more squad cars.

"We woke up and Ford wouldn't sell us any Crown Vics," he said.

Officials in some communities have decided to stay committed to the lawsuit. The community of Northlake, for example, has decided to convert its small fleet of Crown Victorias to Chevrolet Impalas.

"It just rubs me the wrong way that they can try and push everybody around," Mayor Jeffrey Sherwin said.
 
If they are SOOOO unsafe and you're sueing the company then why in the h3ll would you buy more?!?!?! :banghead:

I think Ford is right in doing this. From what I have read about the case it's an issue that CV's might catch fire if they are hit while parked on the shoulder of a road by a car doing 70+ mph. That sounds like the fault of the fool who hit the officer, not the car.

I'm not a LEO so I'm sure others have better insight to the case.

However, we're due a child in August and IF I can get the wife to agree I'll buy a new CV in part due to it's safety ratings.
 
Since 1983, at least 15 police officers nationwide have died in fiery crashes after their cruisers were hit from behind.
15 deaths in 22 years and with how many thousands of vehicles in use?

Sounds relatively safe to me.
 
"It just rubs me the wrong way that they can try and push everybody around," Mayor Jeffrey Sherwin said.

This is a line from some comedy, right? :rolleyes:

Although I'm not taking any position about the ultimate outcome of this legal matter, it seems to me that Ford has the right to deny its business to anyone, should it care to do so ... and it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that they've done so in this matter, and in this fashion. Decision-making may often involve a certain amount of consequence, apparently to the surprise of some folks ...
 
It is always a shock to some people (like the Mayor quoted above) when they learn the classic lesson that Actions Have Consequences.
 
I am sure that city councils have been looking for ways to enhance revenue. Good for Ford! Let the fat cats equip their cities with Yugos!
 
another stupid class action lawsuit out of my state....*shakes head*
it seems these days that these frivilious, unsubstaianted claims of stuff like this come out of either illinois or republik of California
 
One wonders why the firearms manufacturers won't use the same strategy?
 
Good for Ford!

NJSP once bought a Volvo to patrol the parkway. Got no respect. People literally laughed at the troopers.

I once saw a South Carolina trooper in a BMW. Sweet.
 
One wonders why the firearms manufacturers won't use the same strategy?
Some do. When California banned civilian owned .50 BMG firearms, Ronnie Barrett informed them he would no longer sell or service Barrett rifles for law enforcement agencies in California.
 
Good

I think someone posted something like this a few months ago. I thought it was a great idea then, and I think it's an even better one now.

greg
 
"It just rubs me the wrong way that they can try and push everybody around," Mayor Jeffrey Sherwin said.

Here's a guy trying to put the squeeze on someone and he's surprised when they push back? It make me wonder how many frivolous lawsuits he's already benefited from before he found someone smart enough to resist the extortion.

Richardson
 
How about some sort of civil or criminal action against the police chiefs and city councils that CONTINUE to buy cars that are "unsafe" ??????

For putting their officers at risk, and all that ...


(not to say that CVs are really unsafe)
 
I think they should donate one of those EVIL, DANGEROUS cars to me :D

I'll be happy to "take one for the team".

Good point though. What about the negligent "morons" who are buying these death traps for their officers to drive till they explode of their own accord. Shouldn't they be sued for deriliction of duty?
 
"It just rubs me the wrong way that they can try and push everybody around," Mayor Jeffrey Sherwin said.

Pushing you around would be forcing you to buy their cars via a lawsuit. Refusing to sell to you is their choice, so suck it up. If you're going to be a pain in their ass, don't expect them to be friendly. Buy Chevys instead and quit bitching.

Some do. When California banned civilian owned .50 BMG firearms, Ronnie Barrett informed them he would no longer sell or service Barrett rifles for law enforcement agencies in California.

Ronnie Barrett is my hero for the week.
 
Frankly I'm unaware of any vehicle that's *not* an extreme fire hazard after getting rearended at a 70mph closing speed.

KPD wrecked 3 of it's cruisers violently in as many days, all CV's, and none of them burst into flames (though one of them was a nice candidate)...

Ford's entirely within it's rights, and can't say as I don't agree with them.
 
WT-
A few years back, the City of Falls Church bought (leased?) a bunch of Volvo police cars. A local politician (Don Beyer) had a dealership in the city, made them a sweet deal on a bunch of turbo-Volvos. It was an interesting exercise, based on initial cost, as well as cost of ownership for the term of the contract. The Volvos beat the whee out of the domestic brands on all counts, IIRC. The cops liked them, too, as they were comfortable, agile and safe.

Now bear in mind that the City of Falls Church is all of maybe 3 miles long and a mile and a half wide, and has no interstae highway to speak of, it's all urban/suburban, nothing over 55 mph, and not much of that. Nothing outruns a Motorola, but the turbo-Swedes scooted about right smartly. They're back to Crown Vics now :uhoh:

Back OT, good for Ford. It seems like a pretty obvious conflict of interest to sell to someone who is suing you. :neener:
 
Yea nice one Ford and Barrett. When the police start doing this stuff they've gone too far. Can't they be happy with hustling drivers and otherwise shaking down ordinary civilians living under them? They have to hit up the weakest car corporation?

I like Ford the best, hope they can hang in there for many more years.

As for exploding when hit, my boss ran cars in figure-8 racing:) They had to armor their vehicles, reinforce sides, reinforce insides, and most importantly the fuel was stored in a secured armored cell. Even then fires break out. Cars get hot, gas vapours combust, put the two together.


P.S. Ford owns Volvo. Lol. Any department that is pissed off at Ford and buys Volvos has FR33k1N9 L337!!!11 detectives. Woot woot we detect bestest!
 
One wonders why the firearms manufacturers won't use the same strategy?
Cause there's always a buzzard to swoop in and take the deal if one maker bows out on principle.

Wanna talk about firearms companies who make DEALS that are bad for the whole industry?
 
Someone should write a letter to Ford, praising them for their stance. Let them know that it's appreciated.

Anyone want to draft one?
 
It helps Ford immensely that they are a virtual monopoly for an affordable V-8 RWD cruiser.
 
Officials in some communities have decided to stay committed to the lawsuit. The community of Northlake, for example, has decided to convert its small fleet of Crown Victorias to Chevrolet Impalas.
LOL. From what I understand, those officers are going to be pretty ticked off. ALL of the LEOs that I've spoke to about the Impala said they hated it.
 
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