SCKimberFan
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Yeah right.
Where's Paul Harvey? I want the rest of the story.
Friend got harassed by the police for OC
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Yeah right.
Where's Paul Harvey? I want the rest of the story.
Aran
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You'd fit in real well over at PAFOA.
SCKimberFan
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Probably because I was born and raised in PA. 
Aran
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You poor thing.
SCKimberFan
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Yeah, but I was smart enough to move away 25 years ago.
Aran
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I'm a poor college student with a family who is 2000% anti-gun. Even if I could find a lawyer to help me out for the ~$20 I had at the time that wasn't already promised out to my creditors, the backlash from the family would have been horrendous.
The recommendation to contact the VCDL was good. At the very least, I'd suggest doing that. I've joined the VCDL because I've been impressed with the work they are doing, and I don't even live in VA.
Everything else I have to say about this thread has already been said by Deanimator.
Everything else I have to say about this thread has already been said by Deanimator.
jdomin
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typical cop response. they like to stiff arm everyone.one step from a felon
bnkrazy
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Tim Burke, thanks for your support!
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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To which the appropriate response by the dispatcher should be "so what - get a life" - it should never get past the dispatcher. Why would they respond to a call reporting something legal?
"Hey, my neighbor is walking his dog, fercripessake!" "OK, sir, we'll send some units right away!!"
kcshooter
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Because of the mall, church, and campus shootings that have taken place in the last couple years, maybe?
You're suggesting police no longer respond to "man with a gun" calls??
VARifleman
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What they are supposed to do is ask if they are carrying it around or if it's holstered. They should say to buzz off if it's holstered because that's completely legal.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Absolutely I'm suggesting that, if it's holstered and therefore legal.
"Hey there's a guy with a gun."
"Is it holstered, worn on his person?"
"Yes."
"That's legal; have a nice day; goodbye."
What is so difficult about that? It's extraordinarily simple.
ok I am a bit on the ball with this one. I am a firefighter on light duty for the time.....again........I work 911 dispatch right now. Man with a gun call=send pd why you ask? Liability. All calls now matter how insignificant must be investigated because of liability. In this case we get a call, "yeah there is a guy here with a gun in a holsetr walking around the parking lot" Then we take your method of
for the reason of
now the reasoning:
1 with a responce to a customer like that I would get a letter for sure
2 how do I know he is legal?
3 if he did break loose and blast away or hurt/harm people or property the department/city and I would be in civil court from now on. Then the criminal charges filed against me.
so I say maybe you were not aware of this, now you know. If you were aware of this then you should rethink your statement.
kcshooter
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Oh, I see. So concerned gun-ignorant citizen calls in and the dispatches says, "Oh, it's in a holster? That's legal, we're too busy to worry about stuff like that. Call me back if he starts shooting."
So then concerned citizen calls the local news, the local news puts any spin they want on this story, and dispatchers and supervisors all lose their jobs.
Yeah, no public outcry risk on that one. You obviously have no idea of the politics involved in trying to run a city's police force.
So then concerned citizen calls the local news, the local news puts any spin they want on this story, and dispatchers and supervisors all lose their jobs.
Yeah, no public outcry risk on that one. You obviously have no idea of the politics involved in trying to run a city's police force.
Oh, yeah, it's just so simple. Where do you live??
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there you go again throwing messy facts in and spoiling the fantasy and paranoia buzzkiller!
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Would you be liable if a concealed carry holder went berserk and shot people after someone called and said they thought someone was carrying concealed? No.
Would you liable if a person reported a guy walking his dog, and then he went berserk while on said dog walk and shot people? Of course not.
Would you liable if a person reported a cop with a holstered gun, and then the cop went berserk while on duty and shot people? Of course not.
There is no principled difference. Either it's LEGAL. Or it's NOT. It's very very very simple to ask "is it holstered?". If so the response should be "get a life" in a nice way. There is nothing to re-think. It doesn't get any more clear cut. Either it's legal, or it's not. Resources should NEVER be wasted on some joker's reporting LEGAL activity. The chief can and should be held accountable for such a ridiculous waste of resources.
Would you liable if a person reported a guy walking his dog, and then he went berserk while on said dog walk and shot people? Of course not.
Would you liable if a person reported a cop with a holstered gun, and then the cop went berserk while on duty and shot people? Of course not.
There is no principled difference. Either it's LEGAL. Or it's NOT. It's very very very simple to ask "is it holstered?". If so the response should be "get a life" in a nice way. There is nothing to re-think. It doesn't get any more clear cut. Either it's legal, or it's not. Resources should NEVER be wasted on some joker's reporting LEGAL activity. The chief can and should be held accountable for such a ridiculous waste of resources.
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Absolutely improper flawed logic.
Yes, absolutely, that makes perfect sense.
No chance - it would happen so many times the news channels would tell them the exact same thing - get bent - yeah, that's a real yawner - a guy doing something legal....
Maybe an extremely small amount of outcry the first time, but then nothing after that the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time. So enduring watching some news knuckleheads spinning is story is not worth it to enhance and protect our rights? Heck, you don't even have to watch it - change the channel.
Of course I do. I know that what's right and what cops WANT to do ain't always the same thing. A JOB, by definition, is doing stuff you don't want to do. That's their JOB, to not waste resources on investigatimg LEGAL stuff. Frankly, what you suggest is absurd - great idea - send cops out to investigate LEGAL activity so no one is available when a crime actually occurs - beautiful idea.
Do you even have legal carry in Kansas City? If not, how do you know what would happen?
Couldnt agree more as to it being legal or not. But since there are two sides to every story, the callers and the other person, we here at dispatch can not know for certian. It becomes the officers responcibility to investigate the situation. This is what the tax payers pay for.
kcshooter
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If someone called in and said "this guy has a gun," and you decided to ignore the call, YES, you most certainly would!
See above response.
You are way oversimplifying this. You aren't understanding that, legal or not, if someone calls and says "there's a man with a gun!", in today's society, the police have a responsibility and a S.O.P. to respond. Like it or not, that's the reality of it. If you live in a rural setting, it may be different for you, but for those that live in a city, it isn't generally considered normal to walk around with a gun on your hip. And there are people, maybe 10-20% of the population, that vehemently hate guns. They are going to call the cops in fear and ignorance if they see one on you without a badge to accompany it. Like it or not, legal or not, this IS the reality of it.
yeah because only good guys have holsters:banghead:
no the media would soak it up over and over until it changes no matter how many people loose their jobs.:banghead:
well that tells me where your logic comes from no one likes their Job any where right?:banghead:
again how do you know with out being there 100% for certian there in no legal activity? you dont!:banghead:
kcshooter
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Nope, sorry buddy, that's called reality.
Don't be ridiculous. "The cops ignore "man with gun call"! Story at 10!" Again, where do you live??
Right, people don't just eat stories like this up.
Again, you are confusing what you would like to have happen with what actually happens. Welcome to reality.
Indeed yes we do, both OC and CCW are legal here. Know what else we had here a couple years ago? A guy go into a mall and start shooting. So if you think cops aren't going to respond to "man with a gun" call, holstered or not, well, sir, your ignorance is showing.
Stevie-Ray
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Seems to me that if OC is going to be the norm, the dispatchers are going to have to get used to asking, "Am I to understand that he/she has it in his/her hand?" when taking "there's a man/woman with a gun!" calls. Seems it will save a lot of time and resources.
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