Friend was denied LEO job because of too many guns...

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As you can see Captain Leyva and Sgt Jernigan were very pro CCW. I see that as very pro-gun. I don't think you can label the whole department as anti-gun after seeing that video. Just certain individuals.
 
still didn't change my mind... if the boss is something, the company is the same thing. Its the same in both the private and public sectors.
 
Exactly, you think that if someone is very proficient with a firearm AND have a CCW is a shoe-in to becoming an LEO right?
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No, firearms are a very small portion and not that important in law enforcement.

The job is about more than shooting people.

BikerRN
 
they do it all the time.
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I think that really gets to the heart of the matter TAB. You don't care for LE so all LE are bad. I'm pretty sure I've seen this nonsense from you before. I disagree with you.

The Sheriff Baca is actually not anti gun, he's anti losing his job, getting sued, being vilified in the media.

Sadly CA has lawyers like Africa has starving people. We have a media here who eat their young. L.A. and S.F. are the two worst areas to be in the public eye as an LEO. Still, you accept it as part of the job. You also CYA. One of the ways you CYA is to avoid having too many little papers out there with your signature on them being held by a person who just shot someone. Justified or not, the media is going to accuse and imply that the Cheif LEO of that city or county is just as responsible. Legally, they may be held civilly liable.

"SHERIFF ARMS CIVILIAN WHO MURDERED POOR INNOCENT JUST TURNING HIS LIFE AROUND GANG BANGER AFTER BANGER MISTAKES MURDERS CAR FOR HIS OWN"

There's a typical L.A. headline for you after a responsible citizen would have used a legally concealed weapon to stop a car jacker.

It sucks, I don't agree with it, but I do understand it. It doe not make the LASD anti gun.
 
They may just be using this as a cover reason because he scored too high on the IQ test...
 
think that really gets to the heart of the matter TAB. You don't care for LE so all LE are bad. I'm pretty sure I've seen this nonsense from you before. I disagree with you.

The Sheriff Baca is actually not anti gun, he's anti losing his job, getting sued, being vilified in the media.

Sadly CA has lawyers like Africa has starving people. We have a media here who eat their young. L.A. and S.F. are the two worst areas to be in the public eye as an LEO. Still, you accept it as part of the job. You also CYA. One of the ways you CYA is to avoid having too many little papers out there with your signature on them being held by a person who just shot someone. Justified or not, the media is going to accuse and imply that the Cheif LEO of that city or county is just as responsible. Legally, they may be held civilly liable.

"SHERIFF ARMS CIVILIAN WHO MURDERED POOR INNOCENT JUST TURNING HIS LIFE AROUND GANG BANGER AFTER BANGER MISTAKES MURDERS CAR FOR HIS OWN"

There's a typical L.A. headline for you after a responsible citizen would have used a legally concealed weapon to stop a car jacker.

It sucks, I don't agree with it, but I do understand it. It doe not make the LASD anti gun
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I see you know me so well from my postings over the internet...

guess what I am not anti LEO, I am anti people not doing thier jobs. Now I deal with several(5 to be exact) diffrent agencys several times a month for work. Out of those agencys there is only ONE, where I have ever had professional contact with that acted "professionally". I'm not talking about minor stuff. I'm talking about felonys. Its really sad when you go to the office to file a police report, to report a crime at which atleast 3 felonys were committed and officer( which is really just a clerk) was not even intrested in taking that report. Same with you paying for thier services( forced evictions) and they do not show, no call, even the disbatcher can't find the officers that were suppose to be that that address, several hours ago. ( granted **** happends, but when even the sargent can't find thier officers, something is wrong) Same with getting a parking ticket in a closed parking zone that was permit only, the ticket was placed directly over the permit taped to the windsheild exactly where the instructions said to place it. I could go on, but you get the point.

Now I know there are good cops out there, and I have met a few, a CHP sargent comes to mind, he bent over backwards trying to help me. Not only did I thank him several times, I sent several letters to his CO as well as the regional CO praising him. I also had a local catering company make lunch for the entire office.

Once again, tell me how that makes me anti LEO. Its like every thing else, I reward the good and do every thing I can to expose the bad.


also Sheriff baca is not about keeping his job, if you do a search he has done several things that have pissed alot of people in LA.
 
employment polygraphs/VSA(voice stress tests)

I was "DQed" for a great court security supervisor position in 2002 by a retired deputy sheriff who worked as a contractor for the county. His equipment was older than me! :rolleyes: I had a full panel interview with the head of security and passed. When I took the poly the retired deputy was a complete a-hole, :mad:. I answered his questions honestly and explained that I had polygraphs befored without any problems. He asked me the same questions over and over until my responses changed. This is BS!
I think a VSA or voice stress test would be far better than a polygraph. It would gauge your answers and be able to detect lies or misinformation better. I did have a recent co-worker though you told me about his VSA with a local agency that DQed him because of how he answered the question about his first and last name, :confused:. He said the sworn LEO that started the questions ended the test and said the system stated it was false! :rolleyes:

Rusty
PS: even though the court security job was very good, the building had a serious problem with toxic fumes and chemical leaks, so not working there was not a total loss, :D.
 
Psyc Eval

We had a local agency which "failed" 17 out of 21 reserve applicants some years back.

One of them was a government employee with a top secret clearance which caused him to have to go to his boss and tell him he failed a psych test which then resulted in him losing his clearance.

The fed then investigated the "test circumstances" and then it really hit the fan.Seems the "test" was obtained from a local shrink and was being administered and evaluated by untrained people(deputies)with axes to grind.

The whole thing was handled behind the scenes VERY quietly.The dept. just barely avoided lawsuits.The feds were not amused either.
 
Just to throw in my two cents on Baca:

A buddy of mine (living in SCV) was looking into getting an FFL about 3 years ago. After obtaining the ATF package and talked with the folks over there, he called over to LASD to see about getting the required local agency blessing. (I can't remember the name of the unit, but the folks that handle the FFL approvals for the Sheriff.) They said the required approval for the FFL would not be granted by LASD, and they further revealed that they hadn't approved ANY such applications since 9/11.

On the flip side, I have had the honor and privilege of knowing a lot o' LASD guys (and gals), both active and retired. I would not consider a single one of them 'anti'. In fact, quite the opposite. Not too many have much good to say about Leroy, either.
 
mental heath evals; US Army Delta Force, SGT Major Eric Haney

Retired US Army SGT Major Eric Haney, author of Inside the Delta Force and a military advisor on the hit TV series; The Unit, wrote about an incident like these posts too.

His mental health eval/testing was conducted by some a-hole who screamed and yelled insults at him, :confused:. Haney was like ***? :mad:

He explained in the book that the Army/DoD found out what this doctor was doing and kicked him out of the screening process.

I think events like that go on way to often, but few people step forward to complain or point it out until the problem gets way out of control. Then a lot of tax $$$ is spent to "fix" it.:banghead:

Rusty S
 
I'm wondering if guns is the real reason why he was turned down. I'm thinking there may be more to the story.
 
I haven't read every post in this thread, but from the ones I have read, I gotta say something doesn't smell right. Here in NY, most departments make you voucher any firearms you posess, while in the academy. In NYS, you ned to be a LEO or have a CCW. That said, you get the weapons back after graduation. Departments do not want you to have custody or control of firearms (except long guns) while in the academy. They don't judge you (character) by whether you have firearms or not or how many you have.

I would think LAPD whould take the same approach, which leads me to believe there is more to the story. I have emailed a buddy in LAPD to see if this is a normal policy. If it is, it is a sad state of affairs.
 
In the early 80's, my dad's wife's son, who was a police officer, was told by his department that he had too many firearms, and that he had to get rid of them. All of those guns were purchased after he was hired. This was in CA by the way.

That's why the OP had the ring of truth to it; I'd heard this before.
 
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I haven't read every post in this thread, but from the ones I have read, I gotta say something doesn't smell right. Here in NY, most departments make you voucher any firearms you posess, while in the academy. In NYS, you ned to be a LEO or have a CCW. That said, you get the weapons back after graduation. Departments do not want you to have custody or control of firearms (except long guns) while in the academy. They don't judge you (character) by whether you have firearms or not or how many you have.

I would think LAPD whould take the same approach, which leads me to believe there is more to the story. I have emailed a buddy in LAPD to see if this is a normal policy. If it is, it is a sad state of affairs.
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wow. Things are done differently back there in NY.

I will admit that our academy instructors informed us that we were not to carry concealed (even if we had a CCW) while we were in the academy. Department simply didn't want the liability of an almost-cop carrying a gun around.

But, we sure didn't get asked to turn them in while we were in the academy! (and, I'm sure a few folks still used their CCW permit during that time).
 
Count-
Let your friend know, that in the last week I have seen electronic road signs advertising police positions for El Segundo, Manhattan Beach and Hawthorne. There is a huge turn over from retirements in the public service sector right now. Agencies cant hire people fast enough to fill vacancies. This goes for both Police and Fire.
 
Another opinion that either he was told a convenient lie or is telling one himself.

Have him regroup, tone down any rhetoric as necessary, and carry on with his quest.

Have him understand that failure is not necessarily a reflection on himself. How he handles failure, though, is.
 
Once again, tell me how that makes me anti LEO. Its like every thing else, I reward the good and do every thing I can to expose the bad.
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I think your post did it for me.

also Sheriff baca is not about keeping his job, if you do a search he has done several things that have pissed alot of people in LA.
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Hmm, a law enforcement officer pissed people off? What a shocking development. Any cop who doesn't piss someone off daily isn't being very proactive or is assigned to the courts as a bailiff. Most often the people being pissed off are being pissed off while deputies and officers are trying to protect them.
 
don't forget the CHP( if I was going to become a LEO in CA thats who I would apply at) is looking for people big time as well. I know thier pay is better then LASD.
 
don't forget the CHP( if I was going to become a LEO in CA thats who I would apply at) is looking for people big time as well. I know thier pay is better then LASD.
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It sure amazes me what you know about CHP and LASD. let me break it down for you tab.

starting pay for a recruit in the CHP academy. 3900 a month, no education incentive.

After graduation you start at 5,121 a month and go up from there. top step officer being 84,999.

Starting pay for the lasd academy with a high school diploma 4565 a month

Starting pay in the academy with a A.A/A.S 4820 a month

Starting pay in the academy with a B.A or higher 5088 a month.

After graduation you get a 5 percent increase.

Top step deputy after august first 2008 will be 88,380. There is also longevity pay at 19 years which gives you 3% more,24 years which gives you 4% more and 29 years which gives you another 4 percent.

C.H.P does not have a longevity pay scale. Deputy Sheriff's top out at more than CHP, and make more in the academy. I can give more numbers if needed.

One last thing, LASD does not have an age limit, CHP does at 35. And believe it or not we get quite a few people in their forties and late thirties in the academy.

And tab you may not be Anti-Law enforcement, but it sounds like you had a few bad experiences by which you are judging all other officers.
 
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