Denied a Job Because of Interest in Firearms

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The difference in your case is, it's work-related and impacts job performance and attitude. In this case, it is NOT work-related and has no bearing. In many locations, it is illegal to discriminate based on credit history unless it is applicable to the position being applied for (i.e., someone who would be handling money). It's entirely arguable that this falls into the same category.
 
In many locations, it is illegal to discriminate based on credit history unless it is applicable to the position being applied for (i.e., someone who would be handling money). It's entirely arguable that this falls into the same category.

Where?
 
I am an active Catholic, I have a license to, and do carry a pistol, I ride a motorcycle, and I play the accordion.
NONE of which would I divulge in an interview!
PC answer? Camping with family, golfing, gardening, fixing up the house.
 
What if a Democrat denied a republican a job based on his politics, kinda the same thing. Which I'm sure it happens.
 
http://employeeissues.com/credit_check.htm
Employment Credit Check

Credit checks related to employment matters are generally referred to as employment credit checks.

Can an employer conduct an employment credit check on me?

Generally, a potential employer is permitted to conduct an employment credit check to make a hiring decision about you. Subsequently, a potential employer might check your credit report as part of your employment background check.

After hiring you, your employer is generally permitted to conduct an employment credit check to make other decisions about you too, such as those regarding promotion, reassignment and retention.

An employer is generally permitted to do so, primarily because there is no Federal discrimination law that specifically prohibits employment discrimination on the basis of a bad credit report.

Employers obtain your credit report through consumer-reporting, credit-reporting or employment background-check agencies. A credit report typically includes some to all of the following information.

* Year of birth
* Current and previous addresses
* Marital status and spouse's name if applicable
* Current and former employers
* Social security number
* Bankruptcies, liens and judgments
* Child support obligations
* Loan and credit card accounts, and payment history
* Credit scores from the three credit-reporting bureaus
* Who has recently checked the credit report

Although it's generally legal for employers to conduct an employment credit check on you, the related provisions in the Federal Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) and state credit-check laws at least somewhat regulate how employers obtain and use the information; for example, generally:

* An employer must first inform you that someone will be conducting a credit check on you and get your permission in writing (unless you work in the trucking industry, in which case your permission might not be required). Technically, you may refuse to allow it; but, in reality, you might not keep your job or land a new one if you do that.
* Before an employer may take an adverse action against you (e.g., eliminate you as a job candidate or fire you) based solely on a credit check, the employer must give you a "pre-adverse action disclosure" that consists of a copy of your credit report and a written summary of your rights under the Fair Credit Reporting Act.
* After an employer has taken adverse action, the employer must then provide you with an "adverse action notice". The employer must also give you the name, address, and phone number of the agency that provided your credit report, so that you may dispute inaccurate information.
* An employer must keep the results of a credit check confidential and can't store any information about it in your personnel file.

The employment provisions in the Federal Bankruptcy Act apply too: An employer can't discriminate against you, solely because an employment credit check revealed that you sought protection under the Act.

Even though there is no Federal discrimination law that specifically prohibits employment discrimination on the basis of a bad credit report, an employer still may not use a credit check as a guise to discriminate against you in any aspect of employment in violation of a specific discrimination law that does exist.

For example, an employer may not use bad credit reports as a guise to routinely discriminate against low-income job applicants on the basis of gender or race, in violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.

Thanks to a 2005 amendment to the Fair Credit Reporting Act, Americans are entitled to see their credit reports for free, once per year. If one of the three credit bureaus has issued an inaccurate or incomplete credit report about you, you have the right to dispute and attempt to correct it.

To do so, consult a credit repair attorney; alternately, do it yourself by following the credit repair guidelines from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) or make it easier with a do-it-yourself credit repair kit. Either way, don't delay; correcting a credit report takes time and effort, and can be frustrating. In fact, complaints against credit-reporting bureaus are among the most common received by the FTC.Fix Credit Report - Do it Yourself

According to the National Association of State Public Interest Research Groups (PIRGs), 79 percent of the credit reports surveyed were inaccurate. Consider credit report monitoring to protect yourself from adverse employment decisions and identity theft as well.Credit Monitoring

You might have grounds for a lawsuit if you can prove damages from an inaccurate or incomplete credit report, such as loss of employment or a job opportunity as a direct result. Consult an attorney about that. Again, don't delay, as a statute of limitations applies.
 
Sam1911 said:
To tell the truth, I know enough gunnies personally who make me uncomfortable for one reason or another that I'd be taking a long, slow look at that applicant who put that on their resume.

Now, why did you have to go and call me out like that, Sam? I mean, what did I ever do to you?

Or, are you referring to Dan?



BullfrogKen said:
Gosh, with the upkeep of the house, cooking dinner for my wife, and the honeydo list she constantly updates, I don't feel like I get to do anything but work. I guess I sound kinda boring, huh? :eek:
 
As a former HR manager for a Fortune 500 company, I would like to share some observations -

First, what relevance do hobbies or outside interests have in making an employment decision? Questions like "what are your hobbies or interests" have no bearing on whether or not you are fit for the job at hand and really fall into the same genre as "what is your sexual orientation" and "what is your religion". Any questions asked in an interview, no matter how innocent on the surface, can form the basis of excluding members who do not fit the "mold". To wit, you NEVER ask anything during an interview or on the employment application that does not directly deal with the position the company is trying to fill. If it is found that everyone working under this hiring manager has no firearms interest or ownership, then you were discriminated against because you do have such an interest. Further, the onus of proving you weren't discriminated against is on the back of the company - not you.

So, how would a person proceed if they believe they have been discriminated against? Assuming your in the U.S., you would file a complaint with your local Equal Employment Opportunity Commission office.

http://www.eeoc.gov/offices.html

They will help you put together your complaint and then forward it on to the company in question. The company has 30 days to explain how "hobbies and interests" are relevant to their hiring decisions and specifically what was the basis for denying you employment. Simply put, if you had the skills for the job and they didn't hire you, you were discriminated against.

Once the EEOC receives the letter back from the company, they will issue to you something called a "determination letter". This letter will say whether or not the EEOC believes the company engaged in discrimination against you. Assuming a favorable response from the EEOC, you then take that letter to the best employment attorney you can find and proceed from there. You'll either have the job or you will have a nice cash settlement.

The benefit of going to the EEOC before filing in court is that the EEOC will basically do all the discovery for you - for free! Having an attorney do it is all "billable hours" that can run up a big bill and lead no where.

In the interest of fairness, I hope you proceed with a case against this company. Their hiring practices are not part of the 21st century and someone desperately needs to make them aware of that fact.

Hope this helps.
 
If you're looking for a job in medicine, never mention firearms. I work in medicine and I had a few very bad experiences/arguments, before I realized that these otherwise very smart people are completely brainwashed when it comes to guns. Also, if you're a Republican, don't mention that either in an academic medical setting.
 
Question, please . . .

cambeul41 said:

Of course, she is an engineer, formerly Japanese, who was applying for a supervisory position.

Question: How & when did she stop being Japanese? . . .OR . . . just to be PC . . . Irish, German, Polynesian, Afro, Korean, Chinese, Arabic, Mexican - OR - Whatevah??? . . . How'd she do that - HUH ??? Please be so kind as to explain that . . . is she a genetic engineer or what?
 
So, how would a person proceed if they believe they have been discriminated against? Assuming your in the U.S., you would file a complaint with your local Equal Employment Opportunity Commission office.

They certainly aren't going to accept a complaint not being hired on the basis of a hobby. From the EEOC itself: EEOC only handles complaints related to particular kinds of discrimination. If you believe you were discriminated against for some reason other than your race, national origin, sex, religion, color, age (over 40), disability, or retaliation, EEOC cannot assist you.

The EEOC isn't going to do anything about an alleged "hobby discrimination".

Questions like "what are your hobbies or interests" have no bearing on whether or not you are fit for the job at hand and really fall into the same genre as "what is your sexual orientation" and "what is your religion".
This is simply not true and anyone involved in any sort of hiring should know this.
 
"What are your primary hobbies and interests?" and you say "I don't believe that is relevant" (less confrontational than "None of your business") You could also leave it blank, and then when questioned about it you could say that you thought the question was unprofessional and inappropriate.
 
How & when did she stop being Japanese?

Maybe he means citizenship and not nationality.

I'm not sure that the person hiring was being honest about the reasons for not granting an interview.
Maybe she was just using the hobbies as an excuse to not interview you, but not as the reason to not hire you.
Maybe she doesn't really want to hire someone who's so close to another staff member working in a position that could have future medical liability/malpractice issues.
In some programs they seek prisoners to volunteer for medical training procedures and pharmaceutical testing.
If you were ever hurt medically, then your friend would be personally involved by having helped you to get the job.
And it wasn't just a friendly referral if she's your girlfriend.
How many of these types of "employees" do you think have gotten hurt and sued them?
And she could also lose a teacher over it.
There's also a possible conflict of interest if she teaches students that could end up examining you, and you try to influence her privately afterward as a result.
She's smart enough to not hire a staff member's boyfriend for such a risky job.

theology, history, free market economics, and politics

Lastly, these don't even sound like hobbies unless you want to classify them as "reading". Yes, I'm being harsh, but then you said that it was a good job.
The job sounds like it's very risky.
Consider yourself lucky to not get the job. She has protected you from being harmed, and IMO it wasn't really a good job at all.
 
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"What are your primary hobbies and interests?" and you say "I don't believe that is relevant" (less confrontational than "None of your business") You could also leave it blank, and then when questioned about it you could say that you thought the question was unprofessional and inappropriate.

They could then say you are not the kind of person they want or will not contribute to the 'team atmosphere'
 
From the EEOC web site -

Discriminatory Practices

Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), and the Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA), it is illegal to discriminate in any aspect of employment, including:

* hiring and firing;
* compensation, assignment, or classification of employees;
* transfer, promotion, layoff, or recall;
* job advertisements;
* recruitment;
* testing;
* use of company facilities;
* training and apprenticeship programs;
* fringe benefits;
* pay, retirement plans, and disability leave; or
* other terms and conditions of employment.

Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:

* harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, or age;
* retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
* employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities; and
* denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group.

http://www.eeoc.gov/abouteeo/overview_practices.html

I've highlighted the pertinent areas that apply in this case. They should proceed with a claim.
 
I wouldn't mention an interest in guns, that's a turn-off for %50 of the population. Not saying it's right, but it is still a fact.

I would put that I enjoy long walks on the beach with my african american life partner, todd.
 
* employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities; and

stereotypes and assumptions of individuals of certain SEX, RACE, AGE, RELIGION, ETHNIC GROUP, DISABILITIES

nowhere does it say ANYTHING about hobbies.

Drill it through your head. Private sector can do w/e they want.

rantoff.

*If this gets wiped by a mod, please repost the informative parts.
 
* employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities;

How is discriminating because someone owns firearms discrimination based on the stereotypes and assumptions about someone of a certain sex, race, age, religion or ethnic group or individual with disabilities? Sorry I don't see the connection. Do you have a court cite where a case of discrimination because of hobbies was proven? A quick search on findlaw didn't show me any.
 
You might have a chance with this one.

SwearNoAllegiance said:
My primary hobby involves the collection and study of antique and modern firearms as well as marksmanship. Other interests include the personal study of theology, history, free market economics, and politics

But I doubt it.

EEOC is usually concerned with protecting disaffected groups. The leap from Theology to disaffected religious group is a stretch. But the EEOC won't be interested in hobbies unless its related to a protected class.
 
I think this one has run its course on the original topic and has moved away from the gun realm.

Back to your regularly schedule gun discussions...
 
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